Question about Piracy and PvP

[BriefMortal]

Me and my brother have been attacked a number of times now, most of the time it's fairly legit and I can't complain about the conduct of those that attacked us. However, in a couple of cases I feel that there have been violations of the rules and I would like to clarify whether there has been any wrong doing.

In the first instance I was heading through California to New York when I came across a player who was sporting a Freelancer IFF and I'm told by a third party a Freelancer ID. I was showing Liberty Navy IFF and ID. All I received was, and I quote, "Navy, ezi traget". He then proceeded to blow me into tiny little pieces.

In the second instance my brother was moving through the Omega systems in a freighter when he came across another Freelancer IFF, though he did not see what the ID was. The player demanded 4 million (which my brother didn't have, let alone would want to surrender) and then destroyed him when he refused.

In the first case my question is whether or not this absolute minimum of RP (indeed, I'd say it wasn't RP at all so much as stating intent) counts as a violation or not. In the second I would like to know if there's an ID that allows you to pirate but which presents a Freelancer IFF and if not, whether a Freelancer pirating is counted as an infraction.

Thanks in advance for any help.

[SnakThree]

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[BriefMortal]

ID is what defines the role rule-wise, not IFF.

If the first one had Pirate ID, and proceeded to engage you without a demand, he broke the rules.

In the second case, if person had Pirate ID, he engaged target after it refused to meet demand and did not break the rules.

Does the Pirate ID display Freelancer IFF? I'm still not really sure how all this IFF and ID business works.

[SnakThree]

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[JayDee Kasane]

In the second case, if person had Pirate ID, he engaged target after it refused to meet demand and did not break the rules.

Actually he did. Demanding 4 millions from Freighter is harming gameplay. of cource no-one will pay 4 millions for 500< cargo, evein with ore. so he just wanted to have bluemsg and please himself with idiotism
We have many people who acting like retards. few minutes ago 2 Gaians in Gamma did many OOC is sytem chat and used coarse/insult language. if you not Admin you cant stop it, which is sad
But, if they do broked rules you need to proe it by having Screenshots, videos or chatlogs. if you dont - you wont make them pay for it.

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[SnakThree]

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[Jack_Henderson]

Pirates often use Freelancer-IFF to cover their true nature. They appear neutral or even green to most and thus do not trigger the "run! red!" reaction. The ID is what counts.

Advice (as you seem new):

> "F9" each contact that comes into less than 10k. The headline tells you the ship type.
> A "Freelancer-IFF" Roc Bomber is likely a pirate.
> A "No IFF" Pirate Transport is... guess what...:D
> learn to turret steer. Freighters can hardly be killed by anything if steered correctly. They are actually killers against enemy snubs.
> They can also dock and do not count as pvp dead if you manage to get to the base.

Good luck!:)

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[Loken]

In the first instance I was heading through California to New York when I came across a player who was sporting a Freelancer IFF and I'm told by a third party a Freelancer ID. I was showing Liberty Navy IFF and ID. All I received was, and I quote, "Navy, ezi traget". He then proceeded to blow me into tiny little pieces.

Sounds like he was a freelancer killing you for a bounty contract, perfectly fine. Although "Navy, ezi target." probably isn't enough to launch an attack within the rules.

In the second instance my brother was moving through the Omega systems in a freighter when he came across another Freelancer IFF, though he did not see what the ID was. The player demanded 4 million (which my brother didn't have, let alone would want to surrender) and then destroyed him when he refused.

Depends on your cargo but that sounds pretty ridiculous. I think if you reported them for that they'd get a slap on the wrist for being unfair.

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[Ursus]

Sounds like he was a freelancer killing you for a bounty contract, perfectly fine. Although "Navy, ezi target." probably isn't enough to launch an attack within the rules.

That is my guess too, Freelancer ID can claim bounties, and he could be working for unlawful bounty board targeting Navy. My opinion is that it should be stated, since that is the "RP" justification for engagement--there is no RP in the absence of the bounty so it must be referenced for RP reason to exist. However admins have different opinion about it and even let people lie about it ("no I'm not claiming a bounty" pew pew). File a sanction complaint, if something happens it was bad RP if nothing happens it was good RP. Good RP here is whatever doesnt get sanctioned.

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[Ipuvaepe]

In the second instance my brother was moving through the Omega systems in a freighter when he came across another Freelancer IFF, though he did not see what the ID was. The player demanded 4 million (which my brother didn't have, let alone would want to surrender) and then destroyed him when he refused.

That is an absurd and unreasonable demand. Not even if your brother was hauling Helium-3 to Southampton would that be justified. That's the equivalent of 40m at 8000 per cargo, assuming he had a freighter with 5000 cargo. Definitely report. Note though, in the case of Helium-3 2m would have been justified - 8m is arguable but somehow I doubt you had He-3. I digress, this is sanctionable yes - 4000000 (demand) / 500 (cargo) = 8000 (demand per unit) which is not cool at all.

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