i'm a not smart nor briliant
i'm also bad at english
but i have to say those things
1/if disco is getting worse and worse , and many oldies are voicing discontent , there must be something wrong happening , so please , devs , stop procrastinating and defending yourself , make a change , whatever it is , just make it . your new change might hurt disco further or reverse the 'leaving trend' , however , disco IS going to die soon anw if this problem keeps on persisting . in conclusion , do something BIG
2/the majority has already pointed out that the increase in the number of shithead is the root of problem , reduce it. better have 100 competent players than 1000 jerks. and i'm pretty sure that we have more than 100 good players outthere who are suffering
3/ many players are suffering from 'mental disorder' as they have too many chars , please make a charnumber-cap ! people , please understand that : you cant be everyone , if you are everything then you are nothing ; the archieve of something is equal to the giving up of something . only by limiting yourself to a certain number of chars that will make yourself be more realistic ( i beg you vets , please accept this , as 20 ships will ruin ur disco contentment as u can be everywhere , the enjoyment of moving around is now zero )
4/ please make everything harder to archieve , make a 'fame system' where u need to be known and recognized for acquiring high-end ships/equipments. 1b and u have the strongest possible cap only makes people want to have 20 caps and do nothing with them . we have enough player with 50 caps , 10 for each house and f*king camping in their respective innermost systems . we need more people who are in fact RP-ing . the lack of interaction is killing us
5/the server is RP-heavy , yes , but the foundation of RP is something you do and share together . you dont RP with something you have no interesting in . that's why please make every a bit more attractive , harder , more appealing . for example : a)mission harder , more rewarding , and thus require more RP-ing the process ; b)faction battle happen more prequent , since corsair and outcast now are only sitting there and smiling at each other's face , we can encourage faction battles by encouraging them ( or at worst : forcing them ) ; c) make bases location more 'obvious' , like we can only build bases in some certain system , not some corner of the universe ; plus only render them useless for 24hours when being out-of-hp , not completely destroyed . d) make treasure-hunting more captivating , therefore people will love to hunt , to archieve something together , as for now , many one can give out 100m or a codes set easily as everything is so easy to get .BELIEVE ME PLEASE VETS , when everything are harder it's become more valuable
6/ please train new players , there are like children , if they get their mindset wrong , they will have a thug life , and f*king ruin others'
7/ dont make big updates every 2 years , make small , steady , useful update every 3 months or so , look at dota , lol , hon , cod for lessons
8/ask bill gate for a f*king permission to make cannon a developer of Freelancer 2 . it sounds crazy , it sounds absurd , but FL 1 is going to be vanished soon , just like dota 1 , but it will continue to live if we have FL 2
9/ people play FL bc they love space and RP , not PEW and BANG . FL of now is so weak compare to others game but vets are still stick with it , you know why cannon .
10/ please 'marketing' FL , more players we have , stronger we become financially , then we can do things beyond our imagination . dont make FL socialism , it will ruin everything . accept cash from those who willingly give and make sure it will be invested back into stronger servers . ask for sponsor if possible from outer sources. we are human , means we are weak alone , dont take everything personally
11/ cannon has GREAT personality and talent , everyone please keep it in mind , i have seen enough post blaming him . like icefrog , he is FL god ( yes GOD ). we can only support our god. dont de-morale him.
12/ make a 'chain of systems' for 'treasure hunting' , it will make class 9 guns and codes and shield class 10 and other high-end stuff more valuable . take a look at VOID mod for more details . take a look at crossfire mod for some good improvement : a)shadow of planets; b)less boring interface , since many people are bored with blue-dominant background of disco .
DONT HESITATE TO 'STEAL' GREAT IDEAS AND MAKE THEM YOURS . it's the key of being brilliant , look at APPLE and SAMSUNG . look at how alexander the great / gengis khan conquers the worlds , look at how china unites , dont hesitate to conquer the whole FL-mod world and make FL big ! only by then FL will live.
PLEASE MAKE 'MAINTAINING FL LIFE' our motto , 'cause when FL dead occurs , u guy will hurt terribly .
What the hell I've just read? However, I'll try to answer
3) Personally I have 2 characters. Each one have more than 10 ships. So I'm the one, who's ruining disco?
Since people're fine being member of half of Disco's official factions, I don't think they've mental disorder.
4) Fame system was implemented in vanilla. We know it as reputation. I don't understand, people have 20 caps and doing nothing with them? Or they're use them to /l1 and gank? Choose one. Actually, "camping" home systems with BSs is BS direct purpose-protect their home.
5) RP in mission? You mean anti-NPC missions? "You, bloody corsair NPC-legate should die"?
And you don't understand, most of server veterans have nearly limitless amount of everything they need.
Harder achieving will strike at new players and force them to leave.
6) Sorry, but I think you're the one, who needs training. New players can easily join official trade faction, if they can speak english and there receive every training they need.
7) Last month we had 3 updates.
8)You crazy, sorry again.
9)You sure?
10)Server's running by donations. Read appropriate thread.
we have to (try to) differentiate between loud yelling and true majorities. - for example - change for the sake of change is bad. - many people mentioned that one of the reasons they felt discovery 86 was bad - was due to change ( PoBs, cloaking, jumping ) - and not due to content that had stayed identical since the last version. you go on about majorities - i m not sure if there is a majority that wished 4.85 back. - or for the die hards ... 4.84
but your concern is noted
2)
there is a problem with majorities. - they are both - fleeting and also subjective. - players demand one thing - and when they get it - and it turns out their predictions about the effects were wrong - only very few players will still admit that they wanted it - instead they will search for a scapegoat.
if you want TRUE majorities ( or for that matter ... representative majorities ) - do the following steps:
- make a public poll ( no hiding behind an anonymous poll )
- make it a good poll, good choices, fair choices, professional phrasing of the choices, no subtle suggestions in the poll itself.
- leave out any poor humor ( juvenile remarks, cat gifs, etc. ), leave out witty or snide comments, refrain from trolling, insulting, accusations or blackmail ( the typical "do as i say or i leave the community and its your fault" )
- hope that your topic is really a hot topic - how to know its really significant to a "majority"? - when you pass the 100 total votes easily. when its less - the interest in your topic does not seem that great at all - that means not enough for you to say "a majority of the community" that is
- accept results that are not in your favour - and that means - respect the result, have an open mind
3)
not sure if you really want that - if you think about it. - usually when players ask for restrictions - they ( unintentionally ) have "the others" in mind.
while you do indeed have a point. it is not up to us to judge about the capabilities of each player. some players cannot even RP one char - some players are fully capable of RPing ( without metagaming ) 100 chars.
it is up to each player to consider their own skills ( roleplay is a skill, not a given trait )
4)
you come from the idea of capital warship ( which is no surprise ) - it seems you think that many players who aspire to use capital warships are not worthy of them.
that leaves the question - how many players are worthy of bombers? - lvl9 weaponry, VHFs?
what if we allowed only civilian LIGHT fighters MK1 free of choice - and ALL the rest either faction approved ( with a new faction right to remove the right at any time - without compensation ) or just admin SRPed ( yes - VHF, weapons past lvl3, bombers, caps and freighters over 300 units )
where do YOU draw the line? - and do you know why you draw the line there? - what if we draw the line somewhere else - are we wrong? - or are you wrong?
what about those players that already pointed out in other threads that the main term in freelancer is "free"? - do you really want a more restricted enviroment?
i am sorry - but that is one request that may sound nice in your head at that time - but it really does suck - especially when you are on the short end of it.
we could of course make it so that each player has to pay 3 times 2 billion credits to the admin team to REQUEST the right to ASK for a battleship. - that request may or may not be approved. if it is approved - he must pay another 3 times 2 bilion for a total of 12 billion. - you think thats rediculous? - but thats your opinion.
5a)
we ll make missions harder - and i predict players will complain, cause they won t be able to win them anymore ( complaints, complaints, complaints ) - you may even be one of them that won t like it - who knows.
5b)
encourage them? - how - give them stuff? - forcing them? - are you SERIOUS?
its up to each faction to battle - we do not force them - if we did .. why not force traders to trade, nomads to deceit, zoners to get lost into space, gaians to make a fuss about a stinking rock.
- and while we are at it ... disallow other roleplay - cause it distracts. see the problem again? - you ask for someone to take over the decisions and take away freedom from the players to make their own decisions.
5c)
again - you are asking to remove player freedoms. - you ask us not to trust in the players responsibility in order to tell them what to do and where. if you think hard about that path - i m not sure if you can back that up with a "majority" but feel free to make a poll.
5d)
elaborate please
6)
a tutor for each new player? or a tutor for each new player that you think is doing it wrong?
let me ask YOU... have you joined the Angels to do your share?
7)
small updates multiply ( read it: MULTIPLY ) the workload. - you cannot just release pieces - thats not how it works. don t believe it? - tough luck - hear the words - it cannot be done without a lot more work.
8)
hard to dignify that one with a reply - won t happen... we don t get bill gates on the landline - he seems to be busy.
9)
actually - it has a lot more depths than many modern games if you are objective. - aside from graphics and fancy effects - it offers a lot more than games like CoD or even some professional mmorpgs.
its not a perfect game - but what is. you pay around 10$ for a movie - and you will get around 120 minutes of fun + some fun time to discuss the movie with friends - provided you have friends that want to discuss it with you.
you pay nothing for freelancer discovery and i am sure you get more than 120 minutes of fun out of it. while that comparison sucks ( i know ) - you may expect a bit too much. if we made the perfect game here ( if we were capable of it ) - we d be hired by some moneysack company like EA
10)
good marketing people are expensive - very expensive. bad marketing people are useless - and still expensive. - but nothing stops YOU from marketing discovery. - you don t need to be a dev to advertise and spread the word!
11)
agreed. ... praise cannon, praise him ... praise him
12)
good idea - convince cannon to code it - once he is not busy trying to defend the server from some morons attack anymore so ppl can play. - or better even - code it yourself and submit it. it really is a good idea.. so get moving!
we have to (try to) differentiate between loud yelling and true majorities. - for example - change for the sake of change is bad. - many people mentioned that one of the reasons they felt discovery 86 was bad - was due to change ( PoBs, cloaking, jumping ) - and not due to content that had stayed identical since the last version. you go on about majorities - i m not sure if there is a majority that wished 4.85 back. - or for the die hards ... 4.84
but your concern is noted
2)
there is a problem with majorities. - they are both - fleeting and also subjective. - players demand one thing - and when they get it - and it turns out their predictions about the effects were wrong - only very few players will still admit that they wanted it - instead they will search for a scapegoat.
if you want TRUE majorities ( or for that matter ... representative majorities ) - do the following steps:
- make a public poll ( no hiding behind an anonymous poll )
- make it a good poll, good choices, fair choices, professional phrasing of the choices, no subtle suggestions in the poll itself.
- leave out any poor humor ( juvenile remarks, cat gifs, etc. ), leave out witty or snide comments, refrain from trolling, insulting, accusations or blackmail ( the typical "do as i say or i leave the community and its your fault" )
- hope that your topic is really a hot topic - how to know its really significant to a "majority"? - when you pass the 100 total votes easily. when its less - the interest in your topic does not seem that great at all - that means not enough for you to say "a majority of the community" that is
- accept results that are not in your favour - and that means - respect the result, have an open mind
Listening to loud is bad choise,but listening to TRUE majority is no better. It was that very majority that cried how good will .86 changes be, how they will kill every other mod. Then everyone said "Ok, it wasnt THAT good, but there is more coming, and it WILL revolutionise freelancer!". And so bases/cloaks came. Everyone was happy, everyone built bases. Bases starved and burned but everyone was still so happy. And now hardly anyone can say "Bases brought positive change to the server". Its not just people cannot forsee results of changes. Its that that very majority want server to turn into something this server isnt, something this server WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE.When disco finishes its path to RP/PVP label it will be all over, we are not even most impresive mod out there. Now more than ever I want to know, who created disco in its form 3+ years ago. Was it Igiss or someone else who came up with RP server idea? I really want to know. What is obvious is that person has left and/or doesnt care anymore.
Its not loud minority or vast majority that create something good, its
ambitious individual people that imagine whole picture. Pool results are by far not the most important thing. The most important thing is people arguments and walls of text. Yes, I said people that critisize current system IS the most important thing in those topics. Yes, even Karlotta sometimes makes points that should not be tossed aside simply because of its author. Every thaught, most and least popular one should be examined equally carefully. But those things alone MUST mean nothing to admins. Everyone wanting something is NOT reason it should be implemented. Someone MUST HAVE HIS OWN PLAN. No amount of whine should change that. Every opinion should be heard, considered, but no more. One's decision shoud not be forced.
So what was I trying to say with all those cloudy words? Im not denying server is going to hell. Im saying the only thing that can save it is a person with VERY ambitios plan that will bring MAJOR change. And that noone should be able say "Its going to far, this thing worked for years and will NOT be changed". I want rules, systems, etc. be redone from ground. Wipe is inevitable in this aproach, but as I said it shouldnt restrict anything.
P.S. I want name of a person who "created" this whole discovery RP concept, guys, please tell me!'
EDIT: I will throw real world example here: every country, no matter how succesfull faces big crisis from time to time. Even USA, reachiest country in the worls after WW1 experienced "GreatDepression". Government HAD to change social and economic polices. Now europe is also about to face crisis (with the possible exception of Germany, but the question is will they be dragged down by european union). Changes are required to live in this world.
EDIT2: please dont concetrate on my political point of view, i only said it to make my point more clear. If you feel offended, please just think of me as of some idiot but dont derail the thread. Thank you!
(04-23-2013, 11:29 AM)Echo 7-7 Wrote: When "roleplay" around you seems to be diminishing... all you can do is be a new beacon of roleplay to light up everyone else's interactions.
1. Good point. But no matter what the devs do, there will always be people complaining. When the devs make that BIG thing, there will be some people complaining on what a huge piece crap it is.
2. Those "jerks" can be taught how to play. Classifying people into good or bad is not fair, specially in the noob-hostile environment that disco already is
3. I don't see how the number of chars is related to mental disorder; I have around 25 chars and I'm not a psychopath, I think.
4. I don't think turning disco into a grind game is the right approach. Also this "fame system"
5. I don't think forcing people to do something is a good approach either; factions RP depends on the faction itself. And adding extra rules will only scare people away.
6. Yes please.
7. That's the idea afaik.
8. Won't happen lel.
9. Pew and bang is also RP.
10. Disco already accepts donations and the funds obviously go towards helping the server; as for sponsorship and stuff. I think there is a legal grey area the server operators don't want to get into, due to freelancer being owned by Microsoft. Nothing prevents people from doing publicity for the server ofc
11. Well of course, cannon and the rest of the dev team are the ones to thank for their effort invested into the mod.
12. There are already several graphic mods compatible with disco, the devs are already overwhelmed with work. If there was a guide on how to mod freelancer, easily available to anyone, I'm sure many people would be willing to learn and help the dev team