Get Ready for reading folks u know that long posts are my hallmark :P
This is only personal view. I think that lots of ppl won't agree , especially new players who haven't seen the early Discovery.
First to start with i would like to say that the idea of Discovery was to enforce FL with the great option of flying every single ship in the game.
Now my vision for the current mod state/beta. RIght now if you look at the original ships from all cathegory youll see that they are balanced very well. Actually i think that right now Discovery has the most balanced FL ships in all of its development period.And with the MKII house fighters the variety has increased well enough. Now im looking at the new imported ships. They look kool (not the HW ones) , i mean the slipstream raven claw and talon. But they aren't for here. Nope. 1st - both ships have a design that resembles a modern fighters - for god sake the things have openings from where the air comes into the turboreactive engines of a modern fighter! I'm sorry - but there is no air in space...These things would have been great for a FL mod where u fly casual fighters (there are lot models of mig-29 , f-15 , f-22 and so on). But this is not discovery. They are not what discovery was meant to be in the first place. I won't mention that they have a great advantages against the FL fighters - the lack of frame gives them much advantage in receiving damage from projectile weps. Weah they handle pretty good the talon and slipstream are so sleak so its hard to hit them when the shield is down. Definetely those things rock. And for that everyone uses them. Well people if these things weren't here you would have a choice of about 9 VHF - all very well balanced and covering everyones tastes. But now we can all just use the Raven and talon and everything will be fine.
Back when LS and SDF (and lance) were here there wasnt such things. Me and Lance stood for RP and our factions used exclusevely the Bretonian and Liberty ships. Not to mention that RM used exclusevly rheiland ships. But now faction players use everything (mainly BS adv and ravens, talons - ill get to BS adv. later) so yea if its not the tag u wont know that they are from different faction.
That thing robbed personality off the server. So i guess that those things aren't for here. If u really want to see ravenclaw and slipstream - both ships are ships of the House of Romanov from evolution mod - a russian house. But still they dont fit well. I suppose we could remove them. BUT players wont want it and i know it. I just needed to say whats on my mind. IF there is a will we can easily get rid of those things without haveing much server probs.
About the other imported thing - The Battlestars. Yeah they dont fit too. I don't know where they came from but they arent FL for sure. And they, as all imported ships are superior to all other House BS's. U can just mount hvy mortar and infernos , and as soon as the house ship shield is down u can take him down with 2 shots. So everyone (BY everyone so far i mean most of) use them. Again ONLY ONE SHIP DOMINATES THE BATTLEFIELD. THe caps right now are the most balanced from the beggining of the mod. But u get a BS ADV and they just go to hell. SO i guess these could also be removed. U can get the money for new BS with a trader char for matter of hours, SO the ppl wont have BIG probs with it.
About all the HW ships-they are just useless stuffing. They don't even belong to FL and look ridiculous.
I totaly agree with one thing though. We can use exotic stuff like the Marsflyers.Only if their guns cant be exploited for other ships. ITs a good RP ship too - can be used in numerous RP events ,as well as nomad ships-like sirius vs nomads or aliens and stuff. Also i really like the RH bomber - its model looks like a FL ship and it fits good in the FL universe. Only if its stays a brick to fly , so its wont be a great challenge for the half-hulled VHF to take it down, but strong enough to make a BS sweat. Its a bomber not a fighter - do not forget it. Also - all the new freighter ships-i dont think they are much of a use , cause ppl just get trains, transports.
I think that discovery dosent need new ships. FL has enough. But Igiss could concentrate on making new equipment and toys for us all. Also the new systems are awsome and really fit in the FL universe - they really give u the FL feel. So if we concentrate on making new equipment commodities, systems , instead throwing in numerous useless ships , or overpowered ones , i think the mod will be a great palce to be! :) After all - to all ''old'' players and members of the community - Don't Forget What discovery is for - for the FL universe, not a ship pack mod.
Thank u all from the "old" times. I must say thank you and to all new players - and to say to them that if u have came earlier you would also feel the pleasure of the Discovery mod. I wanna thank Igiss for releasing the mod , and taking it trough time with all of our ideas and stuff, i wanna thank Wolfpack for letting us play that awsome mod, i wanna thank all the "OLD" leaders Korrd , Lance(I miss u bud) , Kane , Sam(ironmaiden :D ) ,And yes U DAB - u did mke things spicy but we all know and love ya(in our own ways :rolleyes: ) , and so on , hope i havent forgotten some1. Long live discovery!!!
P.S. I guess Denier-of-Soap was right about some things...
"Comm. Adama:
-Starbuck whadda 'ya hear?
Starbuck:
-Nothing but the rain sir!
Comm. Adama:
-Then grab your gun and bring in the cat!
Starbuck:
-Boom , boom , boom!"
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My characters: - =BSG=Starbuck ; Maj. Kara Thrace(fighter pilot)
- =BSG=Galactica ; Commander Lee Adama(Battlestar)
- =BSG=Helo ; Lt. Karl Agathon (bomber)
- Colonial 795 (trader)
Oohh i forgot the libery GB - Fits well too. And i aggree with having the huggy around- as long as corsairs and outcasts(and other pirates) use it as cap ship , and corsairs and outcasts sell it too.
P.s. Thanks Jamez - Im saying whats on my mind with the thought of the best for discovery.
"Comm. Adama:
-Starbuck whadda 'ya hear?
Starbuck:
-Nothing but the rain sir!
Comm. Adama:
-Then grab your gun and bring in the cat!
Starbuck:
-Boom , boom , boom!"
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My characters: - =BSG=Starbuck ; Maj. Kara Thrace(fighter pilot)
- =BSG=Galactica ; Commander Lee Adama(Battlestar)
- =BSG=Helo ; Lt. Karl Agathon (bomber)
- Colonial 795 (trader)
I have to...... That...... Was awesome, man. If nothing else, very convincing.
As its probably known, I don't like the Raven, Talon OR Slipstream. Mostly because they have no frame and are not easy to hit since the hit box doesn't match the ship.
I pretty much agree with all of the above, except for one thing. ONE of the two flyable BStars should be removed and the other made to match a house one. What is the point of having two of the same ship? Especially when one is obviously weaker.
I don't agree with taking out ALL the new ships. Talon and Ravenclaw are very FLish. Slipstream is okay. They just have to be balanced. Such as the 6 lvl 10 guns on the Talon need to be made to like 2 lvl 9 and 4 lvl 10. Comon the thing is almost as agile as the eagle but has 6 ?! lvl 10 slots while the eagle only has 4 and 2 lvl 9s. I have always thought that makes it too good. It needs reduced agility to ravenclaw OR make the 2 guns lvl 9.
Liberty GB is fine. Liberty needed a gunboat and this one fits in well.
And I completely agree with the statement on BSAs. Overpowered. Immune to torps (also a problem for the RH BS) Manueverable even for a BS. And large hull...
We can and should still add new ships, as without that and systems it would be very boring. BUT they need balanced and should look like FL ships. The Marsflyer and ships like it should be slightly underpowered as it is only an excotic and should only be used in RP events or to just fly around.
I'd like an enhanced version of the Sabre... no need to change the design, maybe make it darker gray (but that's my wish...) also, it's a border world fighter and AW needs such a thing... since we are a (kind of new) house...
If the stars should appear one night in a thousand years, how would men believe and adore and preserve for many generations the remembrance of the city of God? - from 'Nightfall' by I. Asimov The Outcasts consider Siniestre Nube a sacred place for several reasons. Early explorers discovered a jumphole within the depths of the cloud that leads to a strange world of ringed stars and strange craft. All ships in the burrial ground are placed facing that hole to honor the Alien Spirits. - An Outcast rumor
Quote:Talon and Ravenclaw are very FLish. Slipstream is okay
If u like seeing regular-looking fighters in a place where starfighters should take the lead be my guest. But if u really want to fly so much fighters that look contemporary and just like the ones flying above us nowadays , there are a lot of fighter simulators out there - go try one . This is freelancer. ANd there is no need to add with each ver new ships. Better idea is to add equipment and commodities and systems. New code guns. Places where u can buy codes. Cool alien ruins, lv 10 guns of the houses and bigger pirate groups etc. New type of guns. Increasing the arsenal is by me a better idea than increasing the garage.
To Nightfall - i don't think sabre needs an MKII version . As i sayed the original FL ships in this very moment are very well balanced. And pleas keep on topic. If u want a ship changed or a new one there is a topic about bugs and proposions. This one is focusing on the added stuff in the mod, that isnt in the original FL.
"Comm. Adama:
-Starbuck whadda 'ya hear?
Starbuck:
-Nothing but the rain sir!
Comm. Adama:
-Then grab your gun and bring in the cat!
Starbuck:
-Boom , boom , boom!"
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My characters: - =BSG=Starbuck ; Maj. Kara Thrace(fighter pilot)
- =BSG=Galactica ; Commander Lee Adama(Battlestar)
- =BSG=Helo ; Lt. Karl Agathon (bomber)
- Colonial 795 (trader)
The Damned,May 8 2006, 06:17 PM Wrote:If u like seeing regular-looking fighters in a place where starfighters should take the lead be my guest. But if u really want to fly so much fighters that look contemporary and just like the ones flying above us nowadays
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The Ravenclaw doesn't look that much like our fighters. Look at the wings. The ship's wings go forward not back and at an angle that would doom flight capabilities of atmospheric fighters.
Also The main thing the Ravenclaw has in commen with our planes is the skinnyness. And even some original FL ships are skinny. Such as the Dagger.
Now maybe the Talon does look a bit like a modern fighter but its fine as long as there aren't like 3+ of them.
Dab,May 8 2006, 06:38 PM Wrote:The Ravenclaw doesn't look that much like our fighters. Look at the wings. The ship's wings go forward not back and at an angle that would doom flight capabilities of atmospheric fighters.
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Notice Angle! The angle on the Ravenclaw is too much of an angle to allow for that type of flying. The wings are pretty much straight on the sides going straight forward.