' Wrote:What I want is a place where factions aren't so draconic with their tech. Let people build that fantasy character that they want so badly.
There's a balance here.
We don't want people mixing and matching enemy equipment and ships. Which is why I believe the whole tech chart came into being. BUT ... I find that with the Mercenary ID you can do pretty much whatever you want (loophole possibly). Kinda makes you wonder when a Merc with an Eagle (civilian ship) and Krakens (Outcast guns) comes along collecting a bounty on a Liberty Rogue ID ... um ... what the ...? Mercs are neither lawful nor unlawful and can be hired by anyone. But when they dedicate themselves to one side or the other, they really need to mount the weapons of the side they support or stick with purely neutral weapons tech on their neutral ships.
On the other side ...
We need to have some room for creativity. I personally don't like to have to ask some faction leader for permission to use certain ships and/or equipment for my role play. So long as I'm within the tech chart requirements (which need updated) I shouldn't have to worry about "permissions." As long as I'm an ally to the Liberty Rogues, I should not require faction permission to use Liberty Rogue gear. Its only when an enemy of the Liberty Rogues use the gear that it becomes an issue.
In other words, I agree with you Corsair that its becoming a bit draconian. If previous versions were anything goes, 4.85 has been the polar opposite (nothing goes ... without permission).
I believe the creativity is being stamped on by the community. People see something different, something out of the ordinary and they get angry by it. I didn't know it until yesterday, but apparantly there was a lot of OOC rage about the incident where I kidnapped the Bretonian Ambassador.
And that makes me really sad. That was a completely unplanned and spontaneous RP that happened, and people got angry over it for no good reason at all.
Factions are forcing us to define everyone into a single category rather than individuals. If you don't behave exactly like your ID is supposed to, people get mad at you for it. We're not NPCs, we're all individuals. Our IDs define our roles, not our characters.
The best roleplay is not written, planned and pre-scripted. It is spontaneous and messy. Forcing everyone to adhere to a single form of roleplay is a step in the wrong direction; and that's a step I feel this community has taken by stomping the life out of Eva's roleplay with that Cruiser.
Who among you is going to dare to be different after witnessing the terrible reaction this community had to it?
Now, I said "Less restrictive" not, "Total degeneration". It's still up to the leaders to yea/nay the permission. Just don't be totally dictator-like with it. You have the power to make someone really happy or really pissed off. I know that I was ecstatic when I got my tech requests approved on various ships.
I think that the problem we face is variety. There is none. Everybody must conform to what is EXACTLY down on the ID. Only indies are truly free, and they are still imposed upon heavily. The Merc ID/Freelancer ID does allow for a lot of breathing room, provided the faction leaders are in a good mood.
@ Ashes: Totally agree. My character, Black.Pearl, no longer exists because of the mindset you speak of. I try something different (even in the forums) and I get slapped with the generic, "we don't give in to criminals." Ok fine ... whatever ... we just gotta deal with the fact that people are here for the kill message and that's about it.
@ Corsair: With great power comes great responsibility. We give power to the official factions to give permissions on what we individuals can play with. And we give power to those official factions to create "house laws" and place bounties and other such things. With this power, these official factions have the responsibility to ensure that role play for non-faction members is not squashed. I think these house laws and bounties need to be re-examined by these official faction leaders to make sure role play is not smothered. There's no rules limiting what they can and cannot do with their faction laws and such. But they owe it to the community to not be so restrictive that only their faction and their allies get all the fun. Right now the best way to enjoy the "game" is to be a merc or freelancer. At least with those ID's you're not auto-jumped when someone sees you.
"Who among you is going to dare to be different after witnessing the terrible reaction this community had to it?"
Me. I don't care anymore about the Q_Q. Well, I do care, but not in a way that I'll let it affect that I CAN RP some awesome non-scripted visual *waves magic hands vigorously* ArrrPeee.
The best RP that I have ever experienced has always come from ad-hoc. Even if that IS within certain roles.
MOVE OVA FAT LADY! I AINT DONE SINGING YET! (flame disclaimer due to literalists : not directed at anyone, just a general boistrous exuberant yell of joy that is more creative than swearing.)
Sovereign Wrote:Seek fun and you shall find it. Seek stuff to Q_Q about and you'll find that, too. I choose to have fun.
As a faction leader, I believe I could say a few things about SRP.
We simply check is they respect the guidelines set by the admins, then we check if the story does make sense (not something about Mario bross and a Delorean going in FL..). Some of us do put some positive comments at the end like; "I played with him a lot and he is not bound to abuse, etc".
Botom line, we are only making sure you meet the minimum requirements. Admins will choose if you can get it or not
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However, I do agree that we should be more "open" to marginal kinds of RP. Right now, most are hermetic to them. Best would be for such -special- RPers to speak with the persons affected by their characters. Once the wheel has started to move and people get used to such RP, things should loosen up by themselves.
Like our junker did with the navy, they spoke on skype, explained the idea, and went on from there.
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"I don't want to go back to that. What I want is a place where factions aren't so draconic with their tech." If that was about the junker in question, you are wrong. we weren't draconic with him.
@ kingvaillant: I wasn't talking about SRP ... more talking about approval from a faction leader to use their tech. Like a Pirate asking to use a Liberty Rogue GB because she does not possess a Liberty Rogue ID. As for the SRP ... I don't know who gets a vote, say or whatever in who gets approved and who doesn't. I submitted an SRP request about a month and a half ago and never got any feedback (positive or negative) until I practically begged for it. Finally I got a response but from someone that did not take part in the vote. If an SRP is approved, the person gets notified and enjoys her new toy. If not ... *crickets* ... *crickets* ... how about some feedback eh? I'd like to know why I was disapproved and what I can do to make adjustments to my request to get approved.
' Wrote:@ kingvaillant: I wasn't talking about SRP ... more talking about approval from a faction leader to use their tech. Like a Pirate asking to use a Liberty Rogue GB because she does not possess a Liberty Rogue ID. As for the SRP ... I don't know who gets a vote, say or whatever in who gets approved and who doesn't. I submitted an SRP request about a month and a half ago and never got any feedback (positive or negative) until I practically begged for it. Finally I got a response but from someone that did not take part in the vote. If an SRP is approved, the person gets notified and enjoys her new toy. If not ... *crickets* ... *crickets* ... how about some feedback eh? I'd like to know why I was disapproved and what I can do to make adjustments to my request to get approved.
Ah, I got lost somewhere in thread then since its shifting from SRP to faction requests back and forth. gnaaa. Faction request for liberty lawfuls are handled by the leadership of the LPI, LSF and LN together. We talk, argue a little, find a compromise, then make a post. This way, it avoids quite a lot of bias because of the different mentalities. Although, I really do not know how the other factions are handling theirs
As for SRP, yes, more communication between the admins and the players is needed. I believe the system needs to be improved. I don't know if it is possible for the "submitter" to see his post (only), while other players wouldn't. This way, an applicant could simply ask a faction leader to tell him what is going on. The leader would also act as a filter to omit certain bits of information that could offend the applicant.
PS: my initial post was not directed a you. Perhaps indirectly, but it was more general than anything else.