// Alright, I'm going to give you an official response here for what I have concluded. My decision is that you are not to be allowed into the Keepers, as for my reasons, I will give you several, some of which are old, some new. I believe you'll find most of them to be quite obvious, and some may require thinking. I won't bother to explain them to you one by one, if you're intelligent you should be able to figure it out on your own. I am not biased against you, I say that because some of these reasons may seem to carry a degree of bias. You can take it in any possible way that you want, I'd take it as advice, but knowing you, I'm pretty sure I can predict what your reaction will be.
Alright, let's get to it.
1. Your roleplay skills are very good, I won't deny that, but your interactions with people and social skills are inadequate, and fairly poor. Same as before you have been told to try and revise the story a bit, change some parts to make it more possible, and you did not. After seeing this today, I thought you have changed it, improved it, yet I see it is just another failed attempt at promoting yourself and facts that are contrary to the RP we are doing and creating.
2. You are a copycat, you don't think much yourself. It's easy to notice that based on your forum behavior, whenever someone has an idea, and abandons it for either lack of will, time or any other reason, you are quick enough to jump into their idea and attempt to continue it, more than often causing problems for that person that came up with it first, now whilst that behavior might not be punishable, I consider it despicable.
3. You're rather "Jumpy" in your ideas, you bounce from one to another, never finishing, always starting anew, your projects are numerous but left undone, considering how many things you try to do at once, this is hardly surprising, focusing on one certain project and trying to finish that would be better and commendable, whilst having your fingers in a lot of pies just gets your flavors, in this case RP, mixed up and confusing. None of the characters that I've seen by you has that RP depth or development, your order char is in fact the one closest to that.
4. Your general behavior and rudeness on the forums, I am a rude person, but I do bow to you, I can be rude in a manner and I do know where the line is, I step on it from time to time, but you jump over it every time you are provoked. Considering the Keepers do tend to get flame threads from time to time, I consider that your reactions in such situations would be unwanted and would cause a whole lot of problems for both us and yourself.
5. Your problem with authority, you're arrogant and you always think you are right, despite people giving you evidence to the contrary, despite people trying to help you, you always do your own thing. Ego is not always a bad thing, having too much ego and too much self confidence is though. Blatantly refusing to do things the way it is designed and constantly trying to push your own ideas forward, even though they are refused on a number of times is not something that we particularly want in a faction that is based on respect between members.
6. You rush RP, it might work in some places, rarely, but in Keepers it does not, everything we say or do affects the story that is developed for the Nomads, and as such, rushing things along, especially by someone who does not share the views we do, and who does not even try to change what he does for the benefit of others is not something we want in our faction.
7. You tend to go on a power trip from time to time, and order people about, telling them how to do things, how to roleplay. The Keepers don't tell anyone how to roleplay and we keep an open mind towards it, as our RP is a constantly growing story that is yet to be finished, and probably will keep growing for a long time still, your inability to consult with people before doing things, and trying to command them to do things the way you designed them is a really bad thing in such an environment.
8. We have been actually watching you, trying to see if your behavior has improved or not, it seems to have only gotten worse, and while you can RP, those points above prove that we couldn't and wouldn't want to work with you unless that received a fundamental change. Your RP, with some proper guidance could be amazing for the Keepers, and very helpful for our story to have you with us. But you still refuse to change some simple things, and you still do not change your behavior so I cannot see how we could reach any mutual agreement.
I'm not exactly sure why you've been denied by Yuri as these are my reasons, but I'm fairly certain that it was probably the same thing, or something pretty close. Your behavior is simply not beneficial to the group. You might work well on your own, or as a tyrant but, as we all know there is a nice quote that would describe this...so about your application "Sic semper tyrannis".
This was Very well written to be completely Honest. I started reading and was captivated. Even if not accept. Keep posting Sections of stories. Or a continuous story based off of this one.
I honestly thing you could write a book//
Good work
"Eh Dra Ypcahca Uv Tynghacc, Mekrd Bnajyemc."CLICKY!!!!!!!!!! In the Absense of Darkness, Light Prevails.
What was all that crap about the keepers, talon? This wasnt for them, it was for the wild.
Yes, I do tend to get pushy and I do take charge of situations when nobody else does - I'm beginning to think your groups are afraid I'll try to take over, because of RP on my other characters. That isnt the case, and all i've got to say to that is this: if you're afraid to lose power, chances are you dont have a very good hold on it to begin with. I think you're just intimidated by someone who is more confident and doesnt hesitate to make decisions, perhaps it's you that needs to improve.
Quote:I honestly thing you could write a book//
Thanks for the compliment. I was writing short stories for years before I started on Disco, and so far with the exception of the above most people like what I write, if only because it's interesting to read.
Well, despite of what it was for, I'm sure they'll share the same points. Also, regarding the rest of your response, do reread what I said, as what you just responded directly concerns one of my earlier points up there:) Also if you think that I can be intimidated after posting something like this, mhm, I'm very scared of a person who's opinion is worth just about as much to me as ballet for a wrestling champion. Also, the person you "captivated" is quite odd as he went away as soon as you came into the thread. Especially considering you posted right after him! Shameful timing, if you have two computers, you can actually be in the thread on both though, its more realistic:)
Edit: Now I can't be bothered with someone who won't listen, besides I have something better to do, like watch Telletubies.
You seriously think I'd promote my own posts like that? Sorry, but that isnt how I behave - I already know the story is good, and I know you think the story is good as well - it just doesnt fit with your predetermined view of how the history of the keepers or wild should be.
If that story had been posted by anyone else, i'm fairly certain it would have been accepted by the wild/keepers. Fact of the matter is, both of those groups have a problem with me in particular because I dont bow down to anyone - and yes, I do think that intimidates you (among others). You've got a position of absolute power in your factions, and so do the other faction leaders, and those positions have been held without challenge for a long time. Everyone's worried that if I come along and join I'll try to start running things my way, without any evidence to such other than "well, you're overconfident and push other people around".
I'm fine that it didnt get accepted, the story was reviewed a long time ago and more or less turned down, even though nobody had the guts to even post "sorry, but we dont want you in our faction". I didnt change the story, and never intended to - I was bumping it so people could read it who hadnt before. I know i'm a damn good writer and it's enough for me to just know that people at least partially appreciate my talent.
Had I ever got a responce as well thought out as Titan's from admin, I would have had no choice but to improve on the points made.
How ever, I have not seen many of these traits/flaws he described about you. I do see your direct as Titan was there. I like direct and polite. One can be polite yet not pull a punch. That is what I saw in titans post, in your I see your direct, you get your point accross and rudeness/politeness is not a major concern.
I think you seldom attempt to insult anyone for the sake of insulting. I think you speak with mission accomplishment as your goal. Some folks here have delicate minds and you might be too blunt for them.
My only complaint, which I dont hold it against you, is you disappeared in the middle of RP with us twice. Everytime I try to establish a relation ship to one of your characters they vanish. That hurts my RP and yours. I'm not holding a grudge however and would still welcome some RP with you.
As for stealing ideas. I dont know about that. The only thing I MIGHT be able to say about that was I brought up the idea of frigates as something between gunboat and criuser and then dropped it for communities lack of interest. I saw you a couple months later with the same proposal. I chalked it up to a logical development and alike thinking. I still choose to believe we just both thought of the same thing.
If you take anything away from that post take two things.
1, stick to your RP guns and dont ditch your character as soon as its not in the limelight. Heck the Harvesters are background in many factions events seldom do we take the lime light. I prefer to play the best piece of background there is. Not for everyone I know.
2, only IF your copying others ideas. Give credit. copying is not wrong but takeing credit is. I chose to believe you have only had similar ideas as others at this point.
As for the accusation about self promotion. I hope thats not true. That would be lame. Is there any real evidence or was that just slander?
As for not comeing off ass abrasive to others, I have no idea how to do that. People take offence to things I think that are immpossible to get mad at so, Im in the same boat. Meh oh well. I've never been good with those who have thin psycological skin.
Well writen story. But bottom line only thier like minded friends are getting in. Step 1 make friends with them. Step 2 write your story. Step 3 get the uber tech rare nomad and wilde gear. You think different.
You should feel honored that you got the most respectfull and throughlly honest rejection letter I have ever seen. I want one. :mellow:
Quote:I think you seldom attempt to insult anyone for the sake of insulting. I think you speak with mission accomplishment as your goal. Some folks here have delicate minds and you might be too blunt for them.
Sounds about right. When I say something (assuming it's not a flood lolwut post), it's to get a point across, and I really dont give a damn about hurting people's feelings, especially when I know I'm right. Even when I'm not sure if I'm right, I keep the same resolve as I would if I was certain on the point - I dont back down.
Quote:As for stealing ideas. I dont know about that. The only thing I MIGHT be able to say about that was I brought up the idea of frigates as something between gunboat and criuser and then dropped it for communities lack of interest. I saw you a couple months later with the same proposal. I chalked it up to a logical development and alike thinking. I still choose to believe we just both thought of the same thing.
Maybe, I honestly dont remember ever stealing someone else's ideas, and I certainly dont do it intentionally if it does happen. I have used other people's ideas before when I think they're right or the idea makes sense and applies to the situation at hand, but I dont consider that 'stealing' in the least.
Quote:As for the accusation about self promotion. I hope thats not true. That would be lame. Is there any real evidence or was that just slander?
Slander, I'm sure if it really needed to be proven the admins could tell that the two posters were on different IP addresses. If I'm going to bump my own post, I do it on my own forum account. I think Titan just cant handle the fact that someone else liked what I wrote.
Quote:You should feel honored that you got the most respectfull and throughlly honest rejection letter I have ever seen. I want one. mellow.gif
Perhaps, but that rejection was based on personal bias IMO. It also took them how many months to post a reply here? The original story here was posted back on may 12th, that's like 5 months ago now.
Nice story, I liked it. Like mentionned before, you're very direct with your ideas, but I didn't really see where people thought you were copying from (maybe I'm just dumb:P). Nicely written, not too many grammatical errors (sorry but those always get on my nerves). I don't see what was the point in that Keeper sticking his nose in this, but whatever. I do think though that like scorn said, you're a little bit too direct with these people. If they act like this, I'd say go for a more subtle aproach instead; maybe you'll get lucky:D
THEY TOLD ME I COULD BE ANYTHING SO I BECAME A SIGNATURE PLS HLP
Tenacity, all the points I made are either personal observations, or information gathered from people based on months and months of trying to figure you out:P For the copy thing, I will send you a PM of one incident I am aware of, I was assured there were others too. For the self promotion, yes it was slander, and yes I do still believe my analogy to be correct, I don't care how it paints me, I have never cared for opinions of people here that much. Oh and, yes I am probably one of the most biased people you will ever meet in your life, but, I did not judge you, nor any other person with bias. I do things my own way, and although I may be biased, I am fair in matters that concern factions that I'm a member of, if I was so biased that I couldn't control myself I wouldn't do the job I do in real life. Also, considering I like what you wrote, what made you consider I can't handle the fact someone else likes it? o.O I just said that your story was not contemporary with events that are set and/or planned for the RP in the Keepers/Wilde as we do share one common story pretty much. Your rejection was not based on personal bias, but rather the communal experience of many people that've had contact with you. Your story would be good enough if you'd be willing to accommodate it to the RP that is set, but unfortunately, too many people have complained about your behavior, and you taking chances to flame anyone and everyone willing to disagree with you is certainly not something we'd like to see. Now, I may not be that much different from you in behavior, but as I said, I do it with knowledge of where the limit is. I've witnessed your attempts at discrediting people, flaming and many other things. In fact I've been a target of this as well a long time ago when I first met you. Your response to my RP when I met you were actually swear words that you got reported for. From what I hear, your behavior did not change that much, aside from you reading the server rules and being more careful:) A sneaky person that knows how to place an insult without getting sanctioned for it is not particularly the kind of person we seek. Simply put, you tend to overreact. A lot. And before you say, so what, you do it too. Yes, I do. Anyway, as I said, not many things against your story, your rejection is in fact, mainly based on your behavior. You may cry bias all you want, but once you realize that it is not so, we'll be waiting to see improvement.
Edit: Sorry for the wall of text, I hate making spaces in the things I write, makes it look too official:P
Edit x2: Oh and Scorn, considering we only let like minded friends in, how come people we never heard of apply constantly, and quite a lot of them get accepted, there are quite a few more than 10 keepers as most people believe, that was just an original number when the faction was created, an estimation of how many would be needed, today there are many more. So as for us accepting only like minded people, I'll ask you not to be biased, if you want to see such things, you can apply, write a story, and you'll see how we treat such things. But don't judge that you do not know, it's just a really distasteful act. When I got accepted I hardly agreed with anything, I RPed within the set story, but I felt like it needed to move on, and I kept on RPing like that. Same goes for a few other Keepers. You get lots of people who are willing to conform with the base ideas and just stay put, or you get people like Tenacity, which aren't willing to conform with the base ideas and push their own, and you get those who conform in the start, but have the guts and are willing to advance a story in a faction that will probably cause other people to be hostile or biased towards them. None of these three things is bad, not even Tenacity's. However, the way he does this is wrong. His ideas and methods can be promoted through ways other than personal insults, flames and general disobedience of authority in factions. Perhaps he improves, perhaps not, I was not trying to humiliate him or something publicly, I was trying to point out to him the true reasons for why he was rejected now. His first response was an attempt at a flame at me, and an accusation that I was biased. I could've made money if I bet on that because I knew he'd do that. It's how he always reacts. Fight fire with fire is not always a good thing, sometimes you need to bite the bullet and try to go with something new. In this case, try to change some things. I didn't expect him to change, but I felt those things needed to be said:)