I'm pretty positive in saying that in the current days , the Order avoids all sort of ooRP'ing. Our capital ships , indi or not , obey orders given to them. Take last nights raid for example. When I or Mira are their to .... guide the Order indies , we creat a pretty balanced force.Trust me , before the OTF_RU , came only with Battleships and caps , now we only had 1 BS and fighters and strong RP. Aldo , Mira sorta got things wrong on the forum .... the RP was correct.
I don't agree with you on this Swiss.
We need to have our own GB , Bomber and a heavy BS (Dread , Carrier classes). We deserve no less then any other faction a line of ships created and manifactured by us and for us ...and maby allies.
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' Wrote:Um... the Osiris is bloody agile. It can dodge enemy battleship shots for hours. Perfect for a mobile, raiding organisation.
From my humble expirience , that isn't realy true as you say.
It is agile indeed , but it is still a BS , and BS's get hit by enemy fire. Dodging forever is quite impossible.And the ship is not capable of taking out heavily armored BS's and even not so heavily armored ones.
And again...it is quite stupid if you ask me to make the Liberty dread better then the Osiris.So practicly , the Order desided that the heavy modifications they need to apply to their BS , are to remove part of it's armor ? I don't think so...
Order > Access to the best technology in almost all parts of Sirius
Order > Much , much more resoarces provided by three of the strongest factions in the game > Corsairs , Zoners and Hogosha <
Order > Allien technology access. We do not fear the Nomads as you do , we use the " beat-them-whit-their-own-stones" tactic,
What was that about the 'Constantly evоlving" ship ?
If it is RP correct , that Dread shouldn't even exist , or atleast not for many years to come. The Order stole the prototype you had and (should) improved it. I don't see what actuall in game improvements were made to the ship.It is only far lightly armored.
This isn't an argue of the diffrent ships. This is about the Order ships and wich we should get.
Fly different. It is a prototype designed for a different sort of fighting. Don't use it like it you would use a dread.
Aside from that, I can see them having gunships and light cruisers. It seems that while the Order use heavily weighted fighters, their capitals are lighter and more agile.
I never , EVER said that the Dread I want to see has to be uber , mega , better then everything else. I was thinking of something , small , agile and compact. With alittle better armor then the Osiris. Please , view the picture that I submitten and tell me what you think of the design. I imagine the Order's own designed ship to look something like that.
Quote:That is not combat vessel...Zoner Gunboat has only 4 turrets...it is more of explorer ship that can fend of a fighter or two, and maybe scare a bomber for few minutes...other then that it can't do much even if it gets better agility (and that it limited with bomber agility since such different types of ships can't have same agility)
You're kidding... right?
Sorry but unless you give it enough power regen to use like 4 cerberus turrets constantly or something... 4 turrets wont even be enough to kill a lot of npc's out there. The minimum any gunboat here has is 6, and even that can be hard sometimes due to limited firing arcs.
Now if it has near-fighter agility that'd be nice... agile capships are great, easier to use on npc missions, easier to take through asteroid and debris fields, easier to move around enemy capships in pvp and easier to avoid enemy fighter shots... but if it doesnt have the firepower to kill anything it'll all be for nothing.
So if we're only giving it 4 turrets, at least give it sufficient energy regen to equip the best turrets. Say, double gunboat infernos and razors. With that setup it'd be a great capship killer, more survivability than a bomber, but it'd have little to no effectiveness against fighters and the like.
Or, on a similar note, 4 cerberus turrets or missile turrets, that'd give it more potential against fighters, but less against capships.
Kinda dissapointed to hear it's limited firepower... but I rarely win pvp fights if I dont have numbers on my side anyways, I'll still use the ship for RP at least...
[quote]eternal, thats just abusing of the order rp to have "ze best ship of teh game cuz im order". You already have some of the best guns, best ships, your faction invented some of the stuffs everyone uses, and now you want superior ships to everyone./quote]
As was said earlier, the best equipment and weapons in the game say they were manufactured and developed by the order... but almost every player is using that equipment and those weapons, because they complain that their own faction equipment isnt good enough. Who do you think is really pvp-whoring here?
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on the topic of new capships for the order... I dont really see much happening.
The Osiris really isnt that bad of a ship. It could stand to have a few more turrets slapped onto it, since it has less firepower than other battleships, but it is slightly more manuverable. The problem, though, is that it can't put that extra agility to use because of it's profile. The reason ships like gunboats are hard for battleships to hit isnt so much because of fast turning, it's because they're small. Trying to use the Osiris' agility in combat is difficult because the enemy still has a very large target to fire at. The only way to avoid this is going head-on with an opponent, and then they can close the range much more easily... you cant dodge enemy fire at close range.
Many of the 'houses' produce cruisers as a cheaper version of heavy capships. Cruisers have a lot of firepower, but are overall smaller and easier to construct, and therefor can be built in greater numbers. Note: Greater numbers.
Likewise for gunboats. Almost every house gunboat in the game says in it's description that they are mass-produced. They lack the firepower of cruisers/battleships, but have more manuverability and take far fewer people to crew. Again, they're using greater numbers.
The order doesnt have that advantage. They have very few people to their cause, so every ship they build has to be capable of surviving as well as possible in any situation. Their fighters are supposed to be the best (nephthys is ok, but certainly not the best with other disco ships), yet they only really have one fighter type. They have no light fighters, no bombers, no SHF's, when those types of ships are supposed to be the sole focus of the order to begin with.
I could see the order using a few gunboat-sized ships for reconaissance and infiltration operations... that's the entire backstory behind the zoner gunship my order character will be using. The ship is small, agile, and has stealth systems (RP-wise, at least). It isnt designed for head on combat except as a last resort, it's out there to spy and gather information. That's great for RP, but the point of the matter is that no matter what ship you fly in this game, unless you're under level 40 and havea civie ID... you WILL be pvping. You WILL be found by your enemies, and you WILL have to fight them. Every ship needs to be combat capable to some degree, and the order is hated by nearly everyone... which is why I'm a bit dissapointed at the limited firepower of the zoner gunboat... but as said, if it can fire the higher-powered weapons without constantly running out of energy, that wont be an issue.
I have no authority to say what goes and what doesn't go around here.But I'll submit information and data I have collected in game. I see no reason why we cannot have both a light (Osiris) and a heavier , Order designed and build , capital ship. Our enemies are the Nomads, Liberty forces and the BHG. The nomad official faction is not a mass populated one , so they fully deserve that huge and powerfull ship they have , also known as The Harbringer. But , Liberty has a Dreadnaugh and a Carrier class ship. Now , if what Xing says about the Order is to be considered the truth , then that also counts for Liberty.How can a faction such as Liberty , wich is practicly overruned by enemy forces , have time to creat now one but two heavy Battleships.Also , the need for a GB and our own Cruiser is also needed.We do not depend on the Corsair's for survival. So why should we keep taking their technology for our purposses ? The Order is not a faction that is trying to survive.It is quite the opossite , we have vast understandings of both allien and human technology and we deal with our enemies with great success.Why do we not deserve on own ship line ?
Edit for Tenacity - Mait , the Zoners have NO enemies , why would they need a strong fighting ship ?
[quote]eternal, thats just abusing of the order rp to have "ze best ship of teh game cuz im order". You already have some of the best guns, best ships, your faction invented some of the stuffs everyone uses, and now you want superior ships to everyone./quote]
I fly an Osiris. I fly it at a somewhat reasonable skill level. It CAN stand up to other battleships without too much trouble. Rumour has it that it may receive a slight boost in 4.85.
Why do we need to give the Order another battleship?
Gunboat, yeah. Cruiser, okay. A light fighter, sure. A bomber, perfect.