(09-08-2014, 05:16 AM)Holmans Heroes Wrote: [*]Supporting the Molly and Hessian causes via Blood Diamond and Gold Ore trade
If i do see how smuggling blood diamonds is helping the hessians, i don't see how trading gold ore would help the Mollys. At least, as expressed above.
Maybe you have something in mind that isn't written here, yet.
(03-31-2010, 11:48 PM)Sprolf Wrote: That is the crux of the matter.
If you aid us, and you aid them, you are the enemy.
If you do not aid them, you are worthless outside of extortion potential.
If you aid us, you will be treated with respect.
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(09-09-2014, 07:45 PM)Blodwyn ODriscoll Wrote:
(09-08-2014, 05:16 AM)Holmans Heroes Wrote: [*]Supporting the Molly and Hessian causes via Blood Diamond and Gold Ore trade
If i do see how smuggling blood diamonds is helping the hessians, i don't see how trading gold ore would help the Mollys. At least, as expressed above.
Maybe you have something in mind that isn't written here, yet.
Well, the idea is that Blood Diamonds work as both a source of income and as a propaganda/awareness tool for the Hessian cause, like Blue Jillies for the LWB. Gold Ore comes close to that for the Mollys, and although it isn't exactly something that gives awareness, it's their signature product and shipping it assists their economy. We'd also help them out with BMM when needed (although, given our general zone of influence (upper Omegas, Taus) we wouldn't run into BMM too often.
(09-09-2014, 07:30 PM)John Wildkins Wrote: This concept has even brewing far longer than the recent conflict, and this write up was made when faction interest began to grow. It is neither our goal nor our intention to stir up any ooRP hate, and a distinction between IMG| and HH needs to be made both in and out of role play, just as how the actions of, for example, the Congress and the Marauders should not be interchanged.
It is quite funny actually, seeing you have applied to the RHA bounty board. Still the IMG id states that you are ONLY allowed to pirate Kruger and daumann in the omega's and sigma's. So bounties would be in my eyes not done within the rheinland systems themselves.
Another note:
(09-09-2014, 11:30 AM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: This is not an entirely true perception. I do not think that HH makes a difference in this question. As it is a tagged and clearly defined subgroup, e.g. Rheinland can deal with them directly, contact them directly, FR5 them (if necessary) directly, etc. It is a typical Disco phenomenon that you do not gun for the real perpetrator but for the official faction. Don't. I am IMG|. If you have a problem with HH, you know where to call.
I was talking to you on skype after we meet last time in space. You warned me then already about this group long before anyone knew about it. I must say you overlook an important fact something i did mention to you earlier:
Quote:Faction Right 2. Official player factions have authority over players of the same NPC affiliation, as long as RP justification is provided. This authority applies in forums and in-game, and applies to player faction diplomacy, and strategic and tactical direction, however, exercise of that authority, on the forums and in game, is restricted to official faction members with the rank of the official faction leader and second in command(s) of the faction. The authority may be exercised through the use of in-game in-RP orders, which, if not obeyed, can result in in-game in-RP consequences (arrest, court martial, and even "lethal" force in extreme circumstances). Official player factions cannot, under any cicrumstances, require another player to follow non-canon RP if that player doesn't want to. In case of IDs with multiple official factions, this right is nullified and cannot be used by any of the factions.
So if the unofficial SUB faction goes and plays a way what was not intended. And disrupts the diplomacy and strategic direction of the said faction (IMG| ) in this case and IMG| will not do anything to disrupt this kind of play, they agree with the indy factions actions. As per they are playing with the same id.
(09-09-2014, 11:30 AM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Oh and just say this here, because this will become an issue: As long as the HH stay inside the IMG ID, IMG| will have no way of halting/influencing their actions via Faction Rights. Don't even come to me about that. I cannot force indies to play their faction my way and just because my version of IMG| tries to remain neutral with houses, extremer shades of groups can do as they wish without me having any influence.
Well they did already as I have mentioned earlier with the RHA bounty board, the ID of IMG states that they can only pirate Kruger AND Daumann in OMEGA's only. Unless the official representatives want to become in war with Rheinland then they could use the other line as enemies of the faction.
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Quote:It is quite funny actually, seeing you have applied to the RHA bounty board. Still the IMG id states that you are ONLY allowed to pirate Kruger and daumann in the omega's and sigma's. So bounties would be in my eyes not done within the rheinland systems themselves.
Noone forbids them from killing Daumann/Kruger vessel, which refused to pay and then get a money for that from BB.
Also, Corsairs.
Quote:So if the unofficial SUB faction goes and plays a way what was not intended.
If there're lines in ID, then said behaviour is intended. It was Jack's decision not to take corporate rivalry on piracy level.
Quote:So if the unofficial SUB faction goes and plays a way what was not intended.
If there're lines in ID, then said behaviour is intended. It was Jack's decision not to take corporate rivalry on piracy level.
True, but if [HH] will make trouble in rheinland and the rheinland will FR5 them. THe IMG| will be seen the same by using the same id. And thus in my eyes they take a course of diplomacy and strategic direction jack does not want. There is a difference with independent players or complete groups to be made to target certain individuals playing certain factions. The independent players will be more easy overlooked. (same as per se untagged ships, with no group alliance or open tags like the RNC- )
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You really don't get it. If they follow the ID's restrictions, there is nothing that IMG| can do about it, unless they ignore faction lore. The decision to not pirate rhainland corps is a internal faction decision, it's not part of the faction lore.
It is however faction lore that they do it outside the reach of the houses. If you look rheinland did claim Omega 7 and bretonia Omega 3. So this is kind of an invalid argument, from lore you are right, but with discovery state it went beyond that. So if they pirate each other in those claimed systems, they will just report each other to make them look bad at the government they violated the laws with. Is it bretonia with Omega 3 or Rheinland with omega 7 that does not matter. But by role they use the Red Hessian Army to do their war for them behind the eyes of the governments. With the claims of the Houses on those systems nothing else the corps can do.
So YES they follow the ID restrictions, but the diplomatic and strategic course are affected by the unofficial group who are active targeting house factions.
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Quote:So if they pirate each other in those claimed systems, they will just report each other to make them look bad at the government they violated the laws with.
I think mutual reporting happened like 3 years ago.
And let's be fair, if houses would ignore things which happen in borderworlds, roleplaying corporate rivalry would be much more interesting.
Quote:So if they pirate each other in those claimed systems, they will just report each other to make them look bad at the government they violated the laws with.
I think mutual reporting happened like 3 years ago.
And let's be fair, if houses would ignore things which happen in borderworlds, roleplaying corporate rivalry would be much more interesting.
Then why not fix this instead. And then just use the official factions instead of an coverup for IMG| not to be touched?
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