Impossible demands?

[Neonzumi]

Removing mounted equipment is impossible in space so I dont think so.

Except you can. You can shoot off EXTERNAL equipment, but not INTERNAL ones.

But doesn't shooting at the player ship count as engagement? An engagement cannot be done without proper demand?

3.1 An attack is any hostile action that drains shields to less than 50%. Saying "Engaging" is not sufficient and aggressors are not allowed to destroy a ship before allowing sufficient time to respond. If a player is attacked he has the right to defend himself regardless of who is attacking. Trading nanobots, shieldbatteries or other ammo and equipment during a fight is also considered taking an active role in the engagement.

You are droping your own shield here, and shooting off weapons doesn't damage your hull. |8

[The Savage]

@"NeonBunny™" Then what if I refuse to drop my shield? It's not a proper demand allowed by the ID.

[Neonzumi]

@"NeonBunny™" Then what if I refuse to drop my shield? It's not demand allowed by the ID.

And yet all these years Traders were forced to do barrel rolls by Pirates as a demand. You can taste the sarcasm of that sentence right?

[Kauket]

But shooting it down counts as engagement. And engagement cannot be done without proper demand.

Turning off your shield wouldn't be one, but, they can shoot it off. I guess they'll blow you up if you don't follow through?

[Char Aznable]

Roleplay demands have been done forever now. Dropping shields is part of it. Things like this have been done for years now, even if its not explicitly stated somewhere. If you refuse to drop shields, you therefore refuse the demand, and the pirate will kill you.

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#notmyfrankfurt

[Neonzumi]

Roleplay demands have been done forever now. Dropping shields is part of it. Things like this have been done for years now, even if its not explicitly stated somewhere. If you refuse to drop shields, you therefore refuse the demand, and the pirate will kill you.

Thank you.

[The Savage]

Hm, fair enough. Let's close this topic.

[|nfrared]

At the OP, here's the reals of it -
People who do this know they are breaking the rules, and you are simply being trolled. The ID overides the rules and makes it cut and dried - The Pirate ID states credits and cargo may be demanded. If someone is making impossible demands that also could be seen as harming server gameplay. In the example "Dawson Base" gives up there, it appears you are simply the victim of some bored players that were looking for someone to shoot as Rogues and Junkers have no real reason to attack each other and I can't think of how that encounter makes sense inRP.

Roleplay demands have been done forever now. Dropping shields is part of it. Things like this have been done for years now, even if its not explicitly stated somewhere. If you refuse to drop shields, you therefore refuse the demand, and the pirate will kill you.

This works if neither party files a report. It doesn't necessarily make it right, though. Depends if you get rules lawyer or someone in for roleplay and depends entirely on the players if it is OK or not.

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[Binski]

Removing mounted equipment is impossible in space so I dont think so.

Except you can. You can shoot off EXTERNAL equipment, but not INTERNAL ones.

But doesn't shooting at the player ship count as engagement? An engagement cannot be done without proper demand?

I'm more pointing out at the fact what if player refuses to drop down the shield, because I'm quite interested into Green's opinion here.

Its not demanding of the shield being lowered is the problem (although you folks reading this might want to use the term LOWER YOUR SHIELDS not DROP them since DROP usually implies 'shake it loose from your ship like cargo), it was demanding to shoot your ship as the main demand. Demanding to shoot someone's turrets off is basically demanding consent to engage the ship with a promise of not even fighting back. I don't think any ID rules cover allowing you to demand shooting another vessel by consent, or you shoot them without consent in return...? I understand certain RP demands, ones that can be fulfilled, that don't involve weapons fire hitting your hull unsheilded. I think a line should be drawn there. If they'd been demanding cargo and/or credits or tricks we would have been happy to comply or play along. They were just looking for a fight, and made demands that couldn't be complied to to get it. You should only get to shoot a ship's hull in vain if they already haven't complied with your demand.

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[Dawson Base]

Removing mounted equipment is impossible in space so I dont think so.

Except you can. You can shoot off EXTERNAL equipment, but not INTERNAL ones.

But doesn't shooting at the player ship count as engagement? An engagement cannot be done without proper demand?

I'm more pointing out at the fact what if player refuses to drop down the shield, because I'm quite interested into Green's opinion here.

Its not demanding of the shield being lowered is the problem (although you folks reading this might want to use the term LOWER YOUR SHIELDS not DROP them since DROP usually implies 'shake it loose from your ship like cargo), it was demanding to shoot your ship as the main demand. Demanding to shoot someone's turrets off is basically demanding consent to engage the ship with a promise of not even fighting back. I don't think any ID rules cover allowing you to demand shooting another vessel by consent, or you shoot them without consent in return...? I understand certain RP demands, ones that can be fulfilled, that don't involve weapons fire hitting your hull unsheilded. I think a line should be drawn there. If they'd been demanding cargo and/or credits or tricks we would have been happy to comply or play along. They were just looking for a fight, and made demands that couldn't be complied to to get it. You should only get to shoot a ship's hull in vain if they already haven't complied with your demand.

Nobody was asked to shoot their own ship. The demand was to disable their shields, or to just sit still for us to do it for them. Then just not move so we could remove the guns. The encounter could have gone perfectly if the person would have stopped writing threats and then complaining about the server rules, instead of actually reading what was being asked from them. Three times.

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