We posted 4 notifications to your station and an attack declaration. We don't have the numbers to simply be constantly posted outside your station and so, as such, the majority of the RP for this was done forum side (with one or two visits to your station before each post)
We don't PM members as a rule when posting an attack declaration but will do so in the future
Spazzy is absolutely correct, you were made aware of the situation in roleplay and failed to respond or even take note despite a very generous grace period from the BPA. You'd be hard pressed to find any other group on the server willing to give you so much leeway, and instead you're raging angrily on the forums about something which was entirely within your power to control. Your ignorance regarding the investment of your time and game assets is not their responsibility, that is on you.
The sad part is that the BPA has historically been comprised of very kind and almost naive members who are generous to a fault. Given the way they handled this situation, I would be entirely unsurprised if some of the players involved shied away from interacting with base owners at all in the future, and simply opted not to play the game all when faced with similar circumstances in the future. And uh, that's the opposite of what we all need.
(02-26-2018, 07:58 AM)sindroms Wrote: Why are you unaware?
It is reminded time and again on the server via text messages that literally the second part of all of the roleplay enviroment on Discovery is on the forums. That you must keep an eye on them in order to be up to date on what is going on. You are a base owner, you have created an ingame asset that has taken you lots of time and effort to make. The -least- you could have done is to keep an eye out on the base attack declaration thread to see if your base is mentioned.
By entering your base name "Dublin Miners Pub" in the search engine, the transmission to you is the top result.
You'd think that given the fact that this is not the first time you lose a base, you'd be more aware of the roleplay environment and keep an eye on what is going on in the are you operate in. You lost your base not because of players being mean to you, but because of your lack of minimum awareness. Your lost your assets due to your own negligence and trying to blame the other side here just does not hold up to scrutiny.
I have talked time and again how FR5 candidates need to be left an ingame offline PM about the IRP thread on the forum, but in your case given your history with base destruction, you'd think that you'd be more invested and careful about your own creations. Involve yourself in the game roleplay environment more, because nobody is going to wait for you or bring all of your needed info on a silver plate. That is the truth.
I check my PM's regularly. Real life robs me of the amount of time I can spend both in-game or on the forums, so I prefer to spend what time I do have ingame. Although I look over the forums I NEVER saw the attack declaration.
And why, having built the base, and I know I gave the Bret authorities access, did they not even have the administrative nounce to send me a PM? This is a glaring hole in the information bucket. It needs a fix. Admin need to add a little extra to the expectations of attackers and that is to PM the known owner, even to share a link to the Attack thread. One PM would save a lot of grief.
How is this even close to being fair to any player who has no knowledge of the attack intention? Particularly from the BPA who gave me permission to build and I met the requirements to allow them docking rights.
I do not expect everything to be sent on a silver platter. I would expect decency, fairness and common sense to be the hallmarks of an RP server. This is not a ship full of cargo being destroyed, it is a POB with heavy investments of time, credits and hassles like maintenance, which meant I was in-game almost every day. If I had known about it I would have acted. And who would have thought the Bret Authorities would destroy the base especially after all these months it was there? If there was an access problem all this time why did they not inform me?
I have no idea what an FR5 candidate is.
It is unfair, it may be the "rules" but not conducive to a positive RP experience.
(02-26-2018, 08:27 AM)Paddy. Wrote: I check my PM's regularly. Real life robs me of the amount of time I can spend both in-game or on the forums, so I prefer to spend what time I do have ingame. Although I look over the forums I NEVER saw the attack declaration.
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I do not expect everything to be sent on a silver platter. I would expect decency, fairness and common sense to be the hallmarks of an RP server. This is not a ship full of cargo being destroyed, it is a POB with heavy investments of time, credits and hassles like maintenance, which meant I was in-game almost every day. If I had known about it I would have acted.
Do you know what you sound like?
You sound like those people who claim ignorance of House laws and expect the people who were carrying out their RP to, well, not carry out their RP and just let you off because "you didn't know".
You were online when I shot you that PM with the comm linked. You were looking at the forums. The Attack Declaration Thread is stickied in the POB subforum, for crying out loud. Always take a look at it. I do. I want to know where the next drama at.
(01-15-2018, 08:58 AM)The League Wrote: As long as your questions, comments, or concerns are presented, they will be addressed.
If you believe that you have been wronged by one of our guys, contact us for it to be redressed.
If you are a hot chick, kindly show up to our parties undressed.
(02-26-2018, 08:10 AM)Durandal Wrote: Spazzy is absolutely correct, you were made aware of the situation in roleplay and failed to respond or even take note despite a very generous grace period from the BPA. You'd be hard-pressed to find any other group on the server willing to give you so much leeway, and instead you're raging angrily on the forums about something which was entirely within your power to control. Your ignorance regarding the investment of your time and game assets is not their responsibility, that is on you.
What time I had was invested wisely. A compulsory PM by the likes of the BPA) to the owner, which took less than a minute to find, would have alerted me to the attacking intent and I would have acted immediately. Why wouldn't I have acted? I service that Pub every day, almost, to keep it going. Came to do the same this evening and it was destroyed. I had every intention to get more into RP again once my RL work situation settled down.
Also please note, my "failure" to respond was because I did not KNOW about it. Angry? Too right! And I think anyone else who has the same happen to them would be angry.
It would take two - three minutes to pm a link to a base owner.
Doubt that you will get your PoB back, since BPA) nor BAF| broke any rules.
Otherwise, I can only say that you should look regulary on the Forum, even if you just use the search message and enter your base name there to check if anything is new.
Until now, just rebuild it and ask a few peps to help you, there are alot of people who have time and are interested into helping someone with a PoB.
In the future, consider the Communication channel your bases 'letterbox'. Check it every other day or so. Yours is not the only installation that was processed by us over the last two weeks and the others managed to find and respond to their comms. As mentioned before you were given ample time to find the notifications that were clearly posted to the 'Dublin Miners Pub'
(02-26-2018, 08:48 AM)Gerhard Wolf Wrote: Doubt that you will get your PoB back, since BPA) nor BAF| broke any rules.
Otherwise, I can only say that you should look regulary on the Forum, even if you just use the search message and enter your base name there to check if anything is new.
Until now, just rebuild it and ask a few peps to help you, there are alot of people who have time and are interested into helping someone with a PoB.
Good luck with your next PoB.
I agree with you, they didn't break any rules. The fault is not with them, it is the system needs a tweak.
It is still an injustice to destroy a POB without sending a PM to the owner, even as a heads up. The attack declaration is inadequate in some cases unless you are married to Freelancer.
I had a base that was destroyed with no attack declaration. Nothing got done about that.
I had another POB destroyed eight hours after the attack declaration because it was a tier 1 base. I never saw that one too because of the time differential from when it was posted and when I got on forums it was gone.
One PM, that is all it would have taken. Admin must surely see the sense in that. For the sake of fairness, integrity and the game as a whole.
The system is not to be blamed here, since it works for like 95% of all other PoB owners. You say you don't want to be married to Freelancer but insist on managing PoBs. Checking the forum for anything about your PoB is part of that job and you just learned it the hard way, again. Just accept it and make it better next time. You can easily adjust to this system like anyone else by doing what the other people suggested.