(03-27-2013, 03:04 AM)EisenSeele Wrote: My personal opinion of Az's "hessians did it" rp being a cheap cop out does not mean that it is illegitimate. It's merely an opinion. As I have said before, everything he did was within his rights.
I mentioned that the consequences of OSI being hostile to Rheinland is potentially detrimental to the OSI. This is because, recently, OSI has been a trade-everywhere faction. An elimination of an entire house of lawful bases for docking rights, as well as being potentially pursued outside of Rheinland space is definitely a large change that I believe warrants the consideration of all parties involved before proceeding, again, a second chance offered as a courtesy.
The act of trading with the Hessians in itself isn't disappointing. If it's profitable, it's viable. What was disappointing was how the OSI handled being called out for it - as I've explained before. Mind you, we're handling this situation in with the lessons from the IC in mind. As such, we've provided plenty of opportunities for OSI to maintain the status quo, before this whole issue, so as to avoid the whole Q.Q when it hits the fan - again, as a courtesy.
I didn't mean for this to become a discussion, only a notification to clear up any misunderstandings between the Rheinland lawful players and the OSI players before the status quo is disrupted for better or worse. I suppose I presumed too much in expecting that the gesture would be appreciated.
Everything relevant regarding the OSI-Rheinland incident has been said. What can be expected from our side has been shown so as to allow for an informed decision on the OSI's part. From here, we'll stopping the handholding phase, and let what will happen, happen - I hope it'll be fun for everyone involved.
Also, I can see your point with regards to the small fine of 100k on the OSI ship previously mentioned. I was ooc told that the player was new to the faction, and it seemed to be rash to hold an entire faction responsible for the actions of a new player - but your interpretation also makes sense.
This is a feedback thread - you're giving your opinion on Az's role play. You say it is crap because you don't like it. Thus, in your eyes he is doing it wrong; when in fact he isn't doing it wrong. His character might (and I can't stress that enough) be making mistakes, but Az isn't if he is intending his character to be bull headed.
OSI has always been a trade-everywhere faction and it has weathered the elimination of Kusari, Gallia, and Rheinland from its trade routes multiple times in the past. OSI has been hunted by a large number of factions over the course of its life. Considering the main goal of OSI is to supply Nichols, other Zoner bases, and supply groups in the Border and Edge worlds losing access to Rheinland isn't a large issue for OSI - is it an issue? For sure, but not nearly as large a change as you seem to think.
What you are saying is that OSI didn't handle being called out how you wanted them to handle it. In less words - they didn't role play how you wanted them to role play. Again, had they role played the way you wanted them to and said 'We R sorry, here is the 15m. Please don't shoot us.' and been done with it - there would have been far less chance for role play and interaction between a number of factions. Why is that better than the route they've taken? You have to interact with them?
A warning would have been a warning. You didn't intend your first post be be merely a warning, because you critizied (as feedback threads are for) their role play. If you wanted it to be a mere warning, dropping a line saying that 'due to the current role play between both factions OSI might find itself hunted by Rheinland' would have been a warning.
Regarding the 100k fine for the new guy - I can't count the number of times that Stygian or myself cleaned up or paid a fine for a new player. That is what the leaders of a faction are there for; to help new guys along, teach them the ropes, lead them, and if required cover their butts when they do make mistakes.
Anyways, just role play it out. Even if Az isn't handeling the interaction right (which I think he is working it perfectly fine) - his actions (and Rheinland reaction) have generated chances for members of both groups to interact. That is a win-win for both groups - even if it means some OSI ladies/gents lose some cargo along the way. Heck, the security wing might have something to shoot!
Note: Funny, as I typed this post I recall a time when I would have said/acted just as you are in regards to this situation. I guess over time playing on Disco and leading a faction you learn what I'm trying to preach here. Guess I can thank all the peeps I played with here for teaching me that even if I refused to listen at times. Oh, and this whole discussion might give me a reason to reload Disco and have some fun with you guys again. Thanks.