We're talking about NPC repsheets. As in, the variable that tells a pair of npcs to attack one another when they come within weapons range. Right now, the ships shoot one another. The outcasts shoot the bretonians they are clandestinely supporting. What changing the NPC repsheets would do is make them stop shooting one another, which is the first sort of support anyone can give anyone else. No one is declaring the two nations freindly, or talking at all to the libertonians about it. Whats going on, is outcasts and bretonian soldiers being handed orders that tell them not to shoot one another. The empathy will change so that shooting an Outcast will not make the brets like you more, because that does not help the brets.
What you're proposing, is a small trade, where guns are exhanged, while both parties still shoot one another...the British are suppling the Iraqis with guns before they pull out the brittish troops. This is the same thing as the bretonians giving the outcasts guns with which the outcasts will shoot brets.
A group who intends to trade guns with another group would first stop shooting at that group, not hand guns to people actively trying to kill them.
I think you are taking this too far... sorry but..
not raiding each other is one thing.... but changing rep sheets and everything is just too much.
1. What will Liberty say about that?
2. It's very much everyone vs Kusari now I certainly do enjoy fighting QCO, NovaPG, GC, RoS, MKs and [M] all at once... yeah..so far I just met a QCO, NovaPG and [M] all in one group.. lovely.
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.
Why is not raiding one another not the same as changing the repsheets? Or should the NPCs keep raiding each other? The NPCs are, after all, the majority of the population of Sirius. If the brets and the outcasts have an agreement to not raid each other, that should be reflected in the npc repsheets.
I think it could be a very good thing for Outcasts and Mollies to go neutral with the Bretonians.. I have a solution to the Molly diplomacy.. The Bretonians offered the Mollys the option of being legitimate gold miners/transporters and control over their portion of Dublin. This wouldn't effect the SP campaign because the only time you encounter Mollys is in Dublin and there are no missions involving them.
For the Outcasts, the first time you see them is in the Taus when your being taken to Cali base (or Kyoto first?) so you never see them around Bretonians..
In my opinion, this would be a good change. The Bretonians are having a hell of a time stopping the KNF, and the Mollys could stop the KNF from getting to Bretonia through Dundee -> Edinburgh, so it would seem likely that the Bretonians would forgive the Mollys if they were to aid them in the defense of Bretonia.
The Outcast thing has already been done, though I think the NPC diplomacy needs to go to neutral..
' Wrote:Why is not raiding one another not the same as changing the repsheets? Or should the NPCs keep raiding each other? The NPCs are, after all, the majority of the population of Sirius. If the brets and the outcasts have an agreement to not raid each other, that should be reflected in the npc repsheets.
Yes there is a huge difference there... indie outcasts....RoS and 101st might not pirate in Bretonia... because they had a "deal" with you.
Yet and indie Outcast that parks his dessie outside Leeds should be in RP when he's neutral to everything around? He can even dock on Leeds to repair right?
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Also still didn't get answer to what Liberty will think about it? How can it support Bretonia when it's neutral to its main enemy right now?
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Quote:And Kusari is winning.
Yeah.. Rheinland won over Corsairs.. so let's unite Bundies, Hessians, Unioners, Corsairs and throw in some Blood Dragons "hired" by Hessians and smash those Rhienlanders!!!
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.
Now its rare that I agree with... well anything really, I'm a contrary little sod. But like this idea, it opens up a lot of new possibiltiies with RP. Now we outcasts are still untrustworthy, shoot-your-grandmother types and as such we would not be directly trusted in Bretonia, and would be questioned when we enter, and all the rest.
However it would mean we could conduct business with the Bretonians (such as it is) without getting shot at by NPC battleships, which really does interupt a conversation.
I'm not suggesting that we have full and open access to Bretonia or the the Brets have full and open access to Outcast space, but I can't think of any situation that would mean that a drug dealer on the street would be shot at simply for being there. The brets arn't fighting a war with us, therefore the NPC's should be neutral.
' Wrote:Yes there is a huge difference there... indie outcasts....RoS and 101st might not pirate in Bretonia... because they had a "deal" with you.
Yet and indie Outcast that parks his dessie outside Leeds should be in RP when he's neutral to everything around? He can even dock on Leeds to repair right?
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Also still didn't get answer to what Liberty will think about it? How can it support Bretonia when it's neutral to its main enemy right now?
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Yeah.. Rheinland won over Corsairs.. so let's unite Bundies, Hessians, Unioners, Corsairs and throw in some Blood Dragons "hired" by Hessians and smash those Rhienlanders!!!
Which Indie outcasts, exactly? Moreover, right now, standing PC orders for the QCRF and the BPA are regards to outcasts in general, not any faction. Thats right. The indie is already not considered a threat unless he does something stupid....same way we treat mollies, hessians, GC, BD, Unioners, etc. Unless you're a member of a faction known to act hostile in our space, you're treated neutral.
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Right, of course, Bretonia has to mirror its ally's diplomacy? Why isn't Liberty supporting Bretonia in Bretonia's war, against Bretonia's main enemy? Thanks for reminding me...gotta get liberty set to neutral too, for not helping us out. Not lifting a finger, in fact, as chimeras invade our space. We aren't making an alliance with liberty's worst enemy. We're ignoring them, just like they're ignoring ours.
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I've never suggested we have the outcasts join us on an invasion or a counteroffensive. I've suggested that they should stop attacking the side they want to win...You know, like not throwing rocks at the guy you're betting on.
You're argument hinges on the grounds that there shouldn't be any more enemies for Kusari...but I've not changed those numbers at all, and by the same tenet, one could argue that the Corsairs have too many enemies, or the Xenos need some friends. Fact is, how the NPC diplomacy should be has nothing to do with equal balance of friends or how many players might attack you. Its based on political relationships between groups, and you've not a single argument as to why the Outcasts should attack Bretonians.
' Wrote:Yeah.. Rheinland won over Corsairs.. so let's unite Bundies, Hessians, Unioners, Corsairs and throw in some Blood Dragons "hired" by Hessians and smash those Rhienlanders!!!
The difference here is that Rheinland is a house while Corsairs are a pirate company. One, Hessiens are hostile to both Rheinland and Corsairs. Secondly, the dispute between the Mollys and Bretonia is one about the gold trade and is minor in comparison to the dispute between the Bundschuh and Unioners against the Rheinland Government. They want a complete restructuring of the government, Corsairs want to DESTROY the government and take control, so their goals would not help each other. the Bundschuh don't want everything destroyed, they simply want a democratic and non-corrupt government to replace it without rendering the entire house defenseless.
' Wrote:The difference here is that Rheinland is a house while Corsairs are a pirate company. One, Hessians are hostile to both Rheinland and Corsairs.
By that logic Outcasts are hostile both to Kusari and Bretonia :P
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@Unselie... point was that this is a major change in diplomacy... we are talking about 3 of the 6(7) biggest factions in whole FL universe.. not just some tiny Xenos.. or small Unioners loosing alliance with Corsairs.
Also Outcasts should stand aside and watch... well then one of Kusari/Bretonian wins the war... and that's it. Either it will be BMM or IMG in Taus....just about all that changes..
I think that Outcasts will try to attack Bretonia as well... and claim the Northern systems... isn't it better for them?
About liberty.. it's material and political support.. not that they should be sending Dreadnoughts to you... you see any Rheinland BS comming up on Kusari side?
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.