Server Moderators/Police

[Oorn]

It's not the server that needs fixing, It's the attitudes of many people on it.

The Marburgosian Laws:
(for better homes & gardens)

1) When you log off the server for the day, make sure you've done something that somehow makes the server a better place than when you signed in. This is not difficult. The "Pay it Forward" concept works well. All that's required is to do something for a random someone that they can't do for themselves, under the general condition they (the random someone) do the same for someone else at random in the near future when they are in a position to be helpful themselves.

2) Place more importance on the spirit of the rules & not the letter of 'em.

3) Realize what "It's just a game" actually means & don't get bent out of shape like a deep down trauma hound when things don't go your way. No one like a whiney little pussy & no one has ever died from chilling the eff out & laughing things off

That's only 3, but I have more...

There is a certain threshold after which being good guy Greg leads only to frustration on your side. For me such threshold has been passed, hence I stoped playing regularly.

It's not my or your altitude that pushes negativity futher, or anyones' else in this thread, for this matter (with possible exception of spazzy). Just as system can self-administrate itself, it can also automaticly push itself into oposite direction, with unconscious efforts of every cell.

From what I see now, system pushes itself into direction oposite from what we want. Small amount of people behaving nice won't change anything for exactly same reasons haxors/trolls weren't welcome here X years ago.

You are wrong in saying I didn't give this situation enough thought/creativity. Still, I didn't find anything better than starting from ground zero.

P.S. Admins and devs are also part of the system, just as everyone elae.

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When "roleplay" around you seems to be diminishing... all you can do is be a new beacon of roleplay to light up everyone else's interactions.

[Lythrilux]

Question, have you ever played an FPS game with votekick?

Sorry for the question but how old are you? I guess you lack basic logics and argumentation. 10 years ago when I was in school we had logic as discipline, what you learn nowadays?
I played FPS games may be before you were born- stuff like Doom 1 and Quake 1 and 2. Cheating in servers started with Q2 actually.
I would say it for the third time- this game is not FPS game, you have stuff that you can loose if you misbehave,in Battlefield/CS etc games you loose nothing if you are banned from the server, you just go around your ban or play on another server.
If you cannot comprehend this major difference I see no point really of you commenting on this topic because you cannot contribute to it at all.
Funny example is that the WoW community is strongly against gold miners and item miners just because their stuff looses value. Same story here- you abuse the command, np, the one that get tempbaned by abusers reports it and admins delete all the stuff of the abusers.
Again for third time how many ship sale violations you see? For around 3 years since the Ship sales are possible I bet that there are not more then 20 sanctions about Ship sale scrammers, while today I counted more then 10 people killed by hackers in front of NY and right now infront of NT...
You can clearly abuse ship sale command after you receive the credits and give no ship in return but yet the cases of abuse are minimal to none, can you explain this phenomena using your limited point of view? Same abuse option like Vote but none abuse it why? If you have no idea what to say just does not water down the topic with useless +1 type replies or bring some solid argumentation.
Reason and logic is what is lacking in huge amounts in the next generation of gamers as it seems.

Govedo, you're incapable understanding that human nature is not the same for everyone. People get mad when they die and whatnot. A votekick can work to a certain extent but it will be abused. I have seen it abused in games by people with a better standard of the typical player we get here. Therefore, your arguments are baseless and thus I shall ignore you if you are unable to realize that it a system based on player votes can be abused.

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[Hannibal]

I think a system based on votes should really be good,with some limitations of course:
*You are only enabled to vote for a 15min kick if the player had more than x hours on his char
*and a 1 day ban if the player had less than 2h played time
*but there will be cooldowns
*and if you don't have proofs as the person who initiated the vote poll you will get a 3 months ban or perm ban
*the proofs will be posted to forums[trial via forum disabled in that thread]

server police or [angels] administration is not going to work since they'll be biased in order to who they "punish" since they will dislike other players and favour their friends

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People want to believe that God has a plan for them.
They don't wanna believe that anyone else does..

[Marburg]

There is a certain threshold after which being good guy Greg leads only to frustration on your side. For me such threshold has been passed, hence I stoped playing regularly.

::Everyone's Human, therefore, everyone has a breaking point. I've hit mine multiple times & yet, I'm still here while also not playing regularly. It's not a matter of being "good guy Greg" as you put it...it's just simply a matter of stepping outside our own heads long enough to recognize overall the "We" over the "Me"::

It's not my or your altitude that pushes negativity futher, or anyones' else in this thread, for this matter (with possible exception of spazzy). Just as system can self-administrate itself, it can also automaticly push itself into oposite direction, with unconscious efforts of every cell.


::Screw the "system" Since a system is made of individuals, flawed systems stem from flawed individual attitudes that make up that system as a whole::

From what I see now, system pushes itself into direction oposite from what we want. Small amount of people behaving nice won't change anything for exactly same reasons haxors/trolls weren't welcome here X years ago.

::It would make sense to lead by example. Let's face it, Humans are sheep that bleat in an echo chamber. If only a few people pick a couple of days in a week & used 'em to try harder to be cool to another player than they normally would, that example will rub off & the number of people that emulate that behavior will grow quite a bit::

You are wrong in saying I didn't give this situation enough thought/creativity. Still, I didn't find anything better than starting from ground zero.

::Am I? How long have you really thought about it? The slash & burn technique is pretty lazy imo ::


P.S. Admins and devs are also part of the system, just as everyone elae.

::Honestly, Admins would be better off if they stopped allowing such an open platform for asshattery & got a little iron back in their fists::

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[Oorn]

There is a certain threshold after which being good guy Greg leads only to frustration on your side. For me such threshold has been passed, hence I stoped playing regularly.
::Everyone's Human, therefore, everyone has a breaking point. I've hit mine multiple times & yet, I'm still here while also not playing regularly. It's not a matter of being "good guy Greg" as you put it...it's just simply a matter of stepping outside our own heads long enough to recognize overall the "We" over the "Me"::
As things are now, common aproach is saying "screw YOU" rather than thinking about the person on the other side of the monitor. No fun lies in geting such response for your good actions. When it became obvious that I'm no longer geting much fun ingame, I decided to stop playing rather than become "screw you" sheep, no more no less.


It's not my or your altitude that pushes negativity futher, or anyones' else in this thread, for this matter (with possible exception of spazzy). Just as system can self-administrate itself, it can also automaticly push itself into oposite direction, with unconscious efforts of every cell.
::Screw the "system" Since a system is made of individuals, flawed systems stem from flawed individual attitudes that make up that system as a whole::
Correct, but effect system has on you is deeper than you think. Compare how your friends behaved ingame X years ago and now. Frankly, many things people consider normal now deserve admin intervention in healty environment. However, as such things are considered normal, people do not even stop to evaluate their actions. Amount of people who want to be ***** to others for no reason is surprisingly small. But everyone does it now.

From what I see now, system pushes itself into direction oposite from what we want. Small amount of people behaving nice won't change anything for exactly same reasons haxors/trolls weren't welcome here X years ago.
::It would make sense to lead by example. Let's face it, Humans are sheep that bleat in an echo chamber. If only a few people pick a couple of days in a week & used 'em to try harder to be cool to another player than they normally would, that example will rub off & the number of people that emulate that behavior will grow quite a bit::
History is not on your side here. Such aproach has been sugested and agreed upon numerous times this year, but to no avail. And can you name a single time when any comunity became better simply through example of minority? Whenever such thing happened, it was either because of major environment change, or because of single person who forced such change. Sadly, there is not such person here right now.

You are wrong in saying I didn't give this situation enough thought/creativity. Still, I didn't find anything better than starting from ground zero.
::Am I? How long have you really thought about it? The slash & burn technique is pretty lazy imo ::
Ground zero is not necessarily slash and burn. .86 and bases were in some sense ground zero. Many people started playing back then, many systems had their rules established for the first time. Effect was not gigantic, but it still can be seen. Argubly, if .86 hadn't happened we wouldn't be as deep as we're now. When I say ground zero, i refer primarily to 5. version.


P.S. Admins and devs are also part of the system, just as everyone else.
::Honestly, Admins would be better off if they stopped allowing such an open platform for asshattery & got a little iron back in their fists::
Agreed

EDIT: Before anyone says "dying out" is natural process, look at AD&D 1'st edition. 3 revisions has been released since then, but many people still play 1st/2nd. And for good reasons, that is.

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When "roleplay" around you seems to be diminishing... all you can do is be a new beacon of roleplay to light up everyone else's interactions.