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[sasapinjic]

I would like to use this opportunity to ask: How do you mine with Hegemon?

In normal view, the rocks Im supposed to shoot tend to dissapear, before I can turn towards them. In cockpit view it is deffinitely better, but the slow turning speed means less rocks to shoot. Also it seems that only 2 turrets are hitting the rocks most of the time. I guess this is turret placement issue.

I understand, that due to the cargo hold size, the mining speed has to be slower for balance reasons. But this seems just too much.

Most Hegemon can hit at same time is 4, since there is 4 weapons at same hight (those turrets at Hegemon "Towers"), so only equip mining guns there, equip guns for defense on other slots.
Best way to mine with Hegemon (or any other mining ship) is in cocpit view while either moving Forward no faster than 15, or dont move at all, just Spining and shooting.

[ronillon]

Strafe down in cockpit view.

Easier said than done in Kansas copper asteroid field, but it helped a bit. Thanks

I would like to use this opportunity to ask: How do you mine with Hegemon?
In normal view, the rocks Im supposed to shoot tend to dissapear, before I can turn towards them. In cockpit view it is deffinitely better, but the slow turning speed means less rocks to shoot. Also it seems that only 2 turrets are hitting the rocks most of the time. I guess this is turret placement issue.
I understand, that due to the cargo hold size, the mining speed has to be slower for balance reasons. But this seems just too much.

Most Hegemon can hit at same time is 4, since there is 4 weapons at same hight (those turrets at Hegemon "Towers"), so only equip mining guns there, equip guns for defense on other slots.
Best way to mine with Hegemon (or any other mining ship) is in cocpit view while either moving Forward no faster than 15, or dont move at all, just Spining and shooting.

Those 4 on towers can hit at the same time? I mean 2 at the top are almost at the rear of the tower, while those on the bottom are almost at the front of the tower.

Untill I bought Hegemon I never even thought about mining in cockpit view, did not even tried it up untill now. Rhino, Correo, Kamome no problem in normal view. After trying cockpit view in them for comparison, have to say that it does not feel like an improvement in any of them. It is actually more or less worse, than in normal view. (Zoomed in view, cockpit parts blocking view, shaking of the cockpit is annoying.)

Each to his own, but this is not a thing for me, I will stick to normal view. Except for Hegemon, where cockpit seems the only possible way.

I have to agree though on the move forward as slowly, as it seems to make more rocks spawning. Sometimes thrust a little.

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[sasapinjic]

^ i meant 2 turrets on towers have same distance to front of ship as 2 more that are in same line, not on PC right now so i cant explain better, i speaking from vague memory.
Anyway, it is not hard do check in game which weapons will hit at same time, just equip slower traveling weapons (charons) and see for your self.

[Dino]

I would like to use this opportunity to ask: How do you mine with Hegemon?

In normal view, the rocks Im supposed to shoot tend to dissapear, before I can turn towards them. In cockpit view it is deffinitely better, but the slow turning speed means less rocks to shoot. Also it seems that only 2 turrets are hitting the rocks most of the time. I guess this is turret placement issue.

I understand, that due to the cargo hold size, the mining speed has to be slower for balance reasons. But this seems just too much.

I use Hegemon with only 2 mining turrets, as you can only get two of them perfectly aligned for multiple hits. Use Dulzian transport turrets on other slots for increased defense capabilities. Go to cockpit view, disable "Cockpit" in options, push reverse and shoot around. Your transport will move in reverse circles, pretty much staying at same spot and you'l have most "rocks" on the screen as you'l move with increased speed trough the field. In my opinion, Hegemon is something new player should use, but not senior players. It is begineer-friendly as it has decent hold - the ability to mine alone. But Hegemon is far from being a decent mining vessel. The Rock Badger is definately better, as it is smaller, more agile, has same hold, and it has 4 aligned turrets ( 1 2 5 and 8 slots ). Tho, I believe it is only usable on GMS and EFL IDs and other IDs could be seen as abuse, as 10% powercore doesnt stop you from mining.

In my opinion, the Salvager is an big improvement from the Hegemon. It has 4 turrets, a lot larger hold ( 3350 ) and increased defense, as it has gunboat powercore and 7 gunboat turrets. It is also much smaller and more agile. The 4 5 6 and 7 slots are perfectly aligned and when you finish mining, you can switch them for gunboat turrets on nearest station ( keep the mining turrets unmounted, switch them for GB turrets when you need them ). The Premium scrap to Gamma and Artifacts back to Liberty is perfect route for experienced players as you can afford the Salvager ( 130m ship and equipment ) and can easily find a decent route for smuggling Artifacts and not getting caught. The profit is great, as you can earn 11080$ per unit for Scrap and 6500$ per unit of Artifacts back.

As for ideal mining ship, I believe it is Surveyor LF. It has 5 aligned mining turrets and its small size makes the mining easier. I use it for Uncut diamonds mining and I can fill up 5000 cargo in less than 4-5 minutes. Tho, as it is a light fighter, you need a friend to help you out. You fill him up, he jettisons the cargo, you fill him up again, switch to your transport, come to him and tractor in the jettisoned cargo. 10 minutes for filling you both and moving on.

TL;DR? Hegemon sucks.

[ronillon]

I use Hegemon with only 2 mining turrets, as you can only get two of them perfectly aligned for multiple hits. Use Dulzian transport turrets on other slots for increased defense capabilities. Go to turret view, disable "Cockpit" in options, push reverse and shoot around. Your transport will move in reverse circles, pretty much staying at same spot and you'l have most "rocks" on the screen as you'l move with increased speed trough the field.

I do not quiet undestand, why disabling "Cockpit" will help, if you are using turret mode. How can you even align the mining arrays in turret mode? Maybe you meant "normal" (default 3rd person) mode?

I usually fly Surveyor or Rhino with 15m forward speed and mouse turning/shooting alot.

In my opinion, Hegemon is something new player should use, but not senior players. It is begineer-friendly as it has decent hold - the ability to mine alone. But Hegemon is far from being a decent mining vessel. The Rock Badger is definately better, as it is smaller, more agile, has same hold, and it has 4 aligned turrets ( 1 2 5 and 8 slots ). Tho, I believe it is only usable on GMS and EFL IDs and other IDs could be seen as abuse, as 10% powercore doesnt stop you from mining.

I agree, that Hegemon is more suitable for new players, as they usually do not have much mining experience to compare.
Rock Badger? It might be better stat wise, but the cloud comming out of top and bottom and those sparks on the rear "Rock"? No thank you, any other ship than that. Well, maybe except Annapurna, which is even worse in this regard. I can fly these two ships only in cockpit view, otherwise my eyes hurt.

In my opinion, the Salvager is an big improvement from the Hegemon. It has 4 turrets, a lot larger hold ( 3350 ) and increased defense, as it has gunboat powercore and 7 gunboat turrets. It is also much smaller and more agile. The 4 5 6 and 7 slots are perfectly aligned and when you finish mining, you can switch them for gunboat turrets on nearest station ( keep the mining turrets unmounted, switch them for GB turrets when you need them ). The Premium scrap to Gamma and Artifacts back to Liberty is perfect route for experienced players as you can afford the Salvager ( 130m ship and equipment ) and can easily find a decent route for smuggling Artifacts and not getting caught. The profit is great, as you can earn 11080$ per unit for Scrap and 6500$ per unit of Artifacts back.

Hmm, maybe I should dust off my Salvager and try mining on it. I bought it once for some junker event and it has ben rotting in hanger ever since. That smugling sounds promissing.

As for ideal mining ship, I believe it is Surveyor LF. It has 5 aligned mining turrets and its small size makes the mining easier. I use it for Uncut diamonds mining and I can fill up 5000 cargo in less than 4-5 minutes. Tho, as it is a light fighter, you need a friend to help you out. You fill him up, he jettisons the cargo, you fill him up again, switch to your transport, come to him and tractor in the jettisoned cargo. 10 minutes for filling you both and moving on.

Deffinitely, I have not found any better ship for team mining. For Gallia, there is Tournez, which seems to be basically the same thing (5 turrets and 45hold).

TL;DR? Hegemon sucks.

What Im missing is something between mining freighter and mining transport. Double sized Rhino with 1000-1500 cargo would be great.

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[kerfy]

Hey man, I returned to the Discovery recently, and all my stuff got wiped so I also had do that painful first grind.

Here's how a become a millionaire in one day. First step, take your Camara to Pennsylvania system, I'm sure you be able to find it. If you don't know where it is, try out this cool Navmap. When you come to Pennsylvania system, best thing to do is mine Helium. First, I suggest you to buy a Miner ID on a Betlehem station and some mining turrets on the planet. If they are not sold there, Planet Pittsburgh offers them 100%. Then, you go into that big blue nebula behind the planet ( F 3/4 ) and shoot the rocks that are floating around. When you get full, sell the Helium on planet Erie. You'l get 25 millions in about an hour.

Next, you create a new character and use the command: /restart RhCorpDaumann - this will give you a Daumann ID and IFF, then you transfer the credits from Camara to your new char using /givecash "name of your new char". After you doi it and have ~25 millions on your next char, fly to Oder shipyard in New Berlin system and buy a Hegemon. It's perfect ship for mining. Buy heavy mining turrets for it and go to Omega 11. Dont forget the turrets, and careful not to sell your ID when you buy a new ship. It has to be Daumann ID and mining turrets. Again, if you dont know where Omega 11 is, use the Navmap. When you get there, move to this location and shoot the floating rocks again. You will get "Uncut diamonds". When you are full, sell them on Planet Manhattan in New York system for sweet profit of 10108$ per unit.

On your way back from New York, stop in Texas system and go to this location. Shoot the floating asteroids again, and you will receive "Premium scrap". This one will be a bit slower as Daumann ID dont get bonus on Scrap mining but it doesnt matter. Fill up, move to Omega 3 system and sell the Scrap on Planet Sprague for profit of 9347$ per unit. With your cool Hegemon and 2750 units of cargo, you will earn around 29 million for a run of diamonds and 25 million for a run of Scrap. Do several runs and you'l be on 100 million in a day, no problem! Then you can think about getting some big transport and start trading for real.

Anyways, mining is most profitable thing to do at this moment, so everyone do it. If you wanna know more about mining, check this out. Most importantly, have fun! If you need anything else just PM me!

hegemon is not sold at oder...

[DannyDelicious]

Hey man, I returned to the Discovery recently, and all my stuff got wiped so I also had do that painful first grind.

Here's how a become a millionaire in one day. First step, take your Camara to Pennsylvania system, I'm sure you be able to find it. If you don't know where it is, try out this cool Navmap. When you come to Pennsylvania system, best thing to do is mine Helium. First, I suggest you to buy a Miner ID on a Betlehem station and some mining turrets on the planet. If they are not sold there, Planet Pittsburgh offers them 100%. Then, you go into that big blue nebula behind the planet ( F 3/4 ) and shoot the rocks that are floating around. When you get full, sell the Helium on planet Erie. You'l get 25 millions in about an hour.

Next, you create a new character and use the command: /restart RhCorpDaumann - this will give you a Daumann ID and IFF, then you transfer the credits from Camara to your new char using /givecash "name of your new char". After you doi it and have ~25 millions on your next char, fly to Oder shipyard in New Berlin system and buy a Hegemon. It's perfect ship for mining. Buy heavy mining turrets for it and go to Omega 11. Dont forget the turrets, and careful not to sell your ID when you buy a new ship. It has to be Daumann ID and mining turrets. Again, if you dont know where Omega 11 is, use the Navmap. When you get there, move to this location and shoot the floating rocks again. You will get "Uncut diamonds". When you are full, sell them on Planet Manhattan in New York system for sweet profit of 10108$ per unit.

On your way back from New York, stop in Texas system and go to this location. Shoot the floating asteroids again, and you will receive "Premium scrap". This one will be a bit slower as Daumann ID dont get bonus on Scrap mining but it doesnt matter. Fill up, move to Omega 3 system and sell the Scrap on Planet Sprague for profit of 9347$ per unit. With your cool Hegemon and 2750 units of cargo, you will earn around 29 million for a run of diamonds and 25 million for a run of Scrap. Do several runs and you'l be on 100 million in a day, no problem! Then you can think about getting some big transport and start trading for real.

Anyways, mining is most profitable thing to do at this moment, so everyone do it. If you wanna know more about mining, check this out. Most importantly, have fun! If you need anything else just PM me!

hegemon is not sold at oder...

Try the station connected to it. I think it's called The Ring?

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[sasapinjic]

I just tested "Hegemon" , so i wish to correct my self .

While upper -front turrets in slots 1 and 2 are pretty close lined to front down turrets in slots 3 and 4 , they are slightly in front of them .
Upper turrets in "towers" in slots 5 and 6 are slightly behind lined to turrets below "towers" in slots 9 and 10 .
Turrets in slots 7 and 8 fire only backwards .

So , "Hegemon" can hit asteroids with only 2 guns at same time .

BTW , no "Hegemon" in Berlin anymore , Rheinland Capitals sell there now !

[Dino]

I use Hegemon with only 2 mining turrets, as you can only get two of them perfectly aligned for multiple hits. Use Dulzian transport turrets on other slots for increased defense capabilities. Go to turret view, disable "Cockpit" in options, push reverse and shoot around. Your transport will move in reverse circles, pretty much staying at same spot and you'l have most "rocks" on the screen as you'l move with increased speed trough the field.

I do not quiet undestand, why disabling "Cockpit" will help, if you are using turret mode. How can you even align the mining arrays in turret mode? Maybe you meant "normal" (default 3rd person) mode?

Sorry, typo. I meant cockpit view, and disabling "Cockpit" so you dont see the ship interior or whatever that is. The cockpit view makes your guns aim forward all the time. So you will hit them with all of your guns 100%! This is especially important on ships with 2+ mining turrets, as using 3rd person view or turret view makes you hit with one turret sooner than second turret because of their slow turning speed, or even limited arcs, so you get lower yield.

And I definitely suggest you to dust off your Salvager. It's a great ship to earn credits in! Also, your point in Rock Badger being distracting look-wise. Use it in cockpit view.

As for the Hegemon sell point, I wrote that directly from Wiki page, seems it is outdated. I checked the FLCompanion now, it says this: