Corsair-Order Technology Use Chart

[Zelot]

Ok, Tenacity...Calm down. Grimly and Vilkas, you have had your say, we now know your opinions very well, but as I said before this is a decision for the Council of Elders to make, not the Black Sails. You have said your views, and we have heard them so please let us continue the discussion without you continuing to bring up the same point over and over and over. Yes, you do not like the idea, I get it, just....I dont really care at the moment. If you open fire on another Corsair for something that the Council of Elders approves, I will make sure the Black Sails are exiled. Please dont test us.



Everyone lower their temperature or I am going to ask this thread be locked and we can go back to discussing this between the Council of Elders and Order HC, without getting input from everyone else (which is how I would have preferred to do it in the first place.


Vilkas, you have made 8 posts telling your point of view, we understand you can stop telling us, I think we just dont agree, which is not a reason to continue to say the same thing over and over and over.

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[... kur nubėgo?]

Yeah just what our lolwutters needs is more powerful cap turrets. Just briliant. (yeah perhaps its quite one sided, i do not use any cap's at all)

And with such adittude I use what I want, I do not give anything in exchange which is valauble wont take you anywhere. I dont know what council is thinking, (bah, no matter indies are the biggest part up there now) but im really agianst this

Do as you want, im not in position to change anything or decide. Just tried to convicne people that this is not how corsair life is going. Or perhaps I'm just overproud. Seems me and few other will remain to be proud flying what they have while others simply sells themselves for "better stuff" for pvp isntead of keeping rp corsair pride of best ship builders and their pulses they are protecting the most.

Anyhow if your weak in pvp it wont help a lot. Alright, giving up then. My character surely won't like this.

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History of OPG | Antonio "Vilkas" Devivar

[McNeo]

You dont get it.
Having these things doesn't mean we will automatically use them.
Its just, the option is there.

Anyways, the primary reason the order wants this is so that we can gain access to a decent freighter, and a decent light fighter. The tizonas are nice to have, yes, but apparently our fighters have been using debs for some time now.

If you're really going to bitch this much about the chart, I'll remove the nephthys, remove all weapon use (say bye to the cap missiles and our superior cap turrets), and we'll just take your fighters when we need them without giving anything in return. Does that seem fair to you? Because that's the other option here, and I wrote up the chart the way it is because I wanted to be fair to both sides for technology gain.

If you're talking about options in terms of 'what both sides will agree to', then you know what you said is wrong. To be honest, I actually think the signing of this deal is a sacrifice for both sides, since you could easily ignore each other, write independant RPs and gain the ships that way due to Xoria's tech chart. That said, the Corsairs have more to gain from that approach than the Order does, so I can see why thats not a keen idea. That, and its intrusive to the protective nature of everyone.

One person's idea of fair is another's idea of unfair. For example, superior cap turrets? Maybe with the Primary turret, I dont recall the stats, but I'd prefer a Osiris decked out with Light Corsair Turrets over one with full Solaris, let alone Order Secondaries. And the battleship missile? Why would I want that, now its useless for knocking out other battleships from cruise? Doesn't matter whether its Order, Basic, Kusari or whatever now...

That said, chucking battleship missiles into a 3v3 fighter tussle is always a recipe for fun times. *glares at Zelot*

[Grimly]

The Black Sails will not change their reactions on technology shares whatever the results are.


... or u giv mee nommy gunz for meh n' mah mates.
That's simple, tizzies are for the shield busters that the nommy guns are for the hull busters.

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Taking what's yours since 816 A.S.

[Tenacity]

The Black Sails will not change their reactions on technology shares whatever the results are.
... or u giv mee nommy gunz for meh n' mah mates.
That's simple, tizzies are for the shield busters that the nommy guns are for the hull busters.

Our organization is committed to keeping dangerous nomad technology OUT of the hands of irresponsible individuals, what would it say if we started giving a bunch of pirates and criminals access to it?

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[Chico]

Well I'm a corsair and I know I have little standing amongst the Corsair Council of Elders but while I see the percieved need for this chart (a nod at Tenacity for taking the time), I feel from a personal perspective only, that I don't believe the Corsairs should use any Order tech except the Osiris which is really, as much Corsair as Order.
I do see however the Order getting access to our tech.
Why?
Well, on paper, the Order are much smaller than the Corsairs. They are a small secret highly advanced military outfit. Their tech is cutting edge (here read SNAC, armour and nomad weapons).
They fight 'the enemy without', the Nomads. The Nomads who just happen to be in Omicron Minor, Delta, Kappa, Omega 94 and Omicron Gamma. The Corsair home system. The Order are the only faction with the RP to 'Take it to 'em'.
Their enemies are the Liberty lawfuls, bounty hunters and Nomads. Infact, our hit list is very similar and their proximity is close to ours in Minor.
Corsairs on the other hand have some pretty fine and dandy weapons of their own and have little use of the Orders equipment, on top of which, the huge fleets the corsairs have couldn't really rely on those kinds of numbers of equipment coming through.

With regard to ships, I'd say no to each others ships unless a ship line was missing a class (and I don't consider the Carrier class to be an actual class). The Decurion for example is an ideal light fighter and, if the Order don't have one, they should use ours.
The only exception to this is the Osiris and I don't see that as ever changing.
Anything else should be special request. Full stop.

One other point I would make regarding the Corsair tech in the hands of the Order.
If at any point, some odd alliance got set up with an enemy of the Corsairs like GMG or Blood Dragons for example, all of that would stop and any existing weaponry would be lost to a lack of maintenance/spares etc.

Please note that it's just MY opinion voiced here and not that of any faction I fight alongside.

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