Swarm Missile Pod - 4.78 patched

[daedalus]

If it made the Marsflyer look pathetic, then why do you care?

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We're talking about mod balance, Virus. Read up on why we were discussing the swarm. Everything is relative. And you not wanting the ship doesn't mean everything is fine.

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Role-played characters:
daedalus - Liberty Navy
bandersnatch - Ruthless criminal possessed by a (huge) alien
Shredder - Small-time Kusari pirate, looking to join the Blood Dragons

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[daedalus]

The marsflyer thing made me real desperate. I hoped that someone did get that one during tests. Well, silly me. Time to release third patch. Or is it 4th patch? I've lost count.

Why remove mines, or cms? Just make weapons of that thing more balanced, that's how I see the solution. And at the same time reduce damage of a Swarm. How do you think?

The mod was not uploaded to TLR yet so we have some time now.

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Well I tested it and I did say it was powerful and not expensive enough, but sorry, that proved to be an understatement. As an easy fix, you could halve the damage of its guns (reduce everything by 50%). I suggested removing the CM to give it a weakness. It should still cost over 20M.

I'm not happy with the swarm. I think it should either use energy or ammo. Fighters shouldn't get anything for free (Nomad guns an exception). Reducing the damage... well that would help but it would make it less interesting.

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Role-played characters:
daedalus - Liberty Navy
bandersnatch - Ruthless criminal possessed by a (huge) alien
Shredder - Small-time Kusari pirate, looking to join the Blood Dragons

"Bounty Hunters. We don't need that scum." - Admiral Piett

[Igiss]

Ok about Swarm... how much energy should it consume? In comparison to, say, normal codename guns?

It should still cost over 20M.

Easily, but is it really so much more powerful than a gunboat? With guns having normal range and normal damage, it will be an exclusive fighter, nothing more, and 20 million seems a bit too much even for this ship. Again, I can increase price (by increasing cost of equipment, the hull already costs the max 10 million), but I'm not sure if it's right decision.

[daedalus]

Ok about Swarm... how much energy should it consume? In comparison to, say, normal codename guns?

Easily, but is it really so much more powerful than a gunboat? With guns having normal range and normal damage, it will be an exclusive fighter, nothing more, and 20 million seems a bit too much even for this ship. Again, I can increase price (by increasing cost of equipment, the hull already costs the max 10 million), but I'm not sure if it's right decision.

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Take the most efficient codename which currently does, per second, 2890 hull and 1444 shield for 440 energy (for one mount). Swarm currently does 65160 hull and 3233 shield per second with a slight delay (assuming everything hits the target). Going by the hull alone, swarm is roughly 22.5 times more powerful than the codename, so it would have to use 9900 energy per second. That's 297 per missile I reckon at 33.33 refire (hope the maths is right, I'm tired). It would have to stop firing when the energy runs out to make this worthwhile. But being on a torp mount it could afford to be a bit more powerful than a gun (like novas) so this energy usage could be reduced.
(But it's not an energy weapon, it would make more sense to use ammo).

As for the Marsflyer, yes even with half damage it would be a match for a gunboat with armour upgrades and a bs shield (with a good pilot). If the 'flyer kept moving, I think most player gunboats would struggle to even hit it. I actually wanted to keep the range as that's what makes it special, maybe reduce to 1000m? But even with normal range it would be a match. 20M would be about right - bear in mind it can cost over 10M to fully equip a class 10 VHF which doesn't come with all the equipment that the Marsflyer has.

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Role-played characters:
daedalus - Liberty Navy
bandersnatch - Ruthless criminal possessed by a (huge) alien
Shredder - Small-time Kusari pirate, looking to join the Blood Dragons

"Bounty Hunters. We don't need that scum." - Admiral Piett

[Kane]

I think the Marsflyer is fine just the way it is.

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[Virus]

I also think the Marsflyer is fine. No changes are needed, I could take one with well aimed missiles and/or torp.

And my point about not buying one myself, I'm proving that not everyone will fly one.

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[Igiss]

Swarm currently does 65160 hull and 3233 shield per second with a slight delay

Um? Read once more what you posted. It's about 6100 really, not 65000.

To compare, the most powerful original game homing missile - Firestalker - deals arond 2500 damage with 1 shot. It costs 260000. Is the Swarm so much more powerful and special? No, I don't think so.

[daedalus]

Um? Read once more what you posted. It's about 6100 really, not 65000.

To compare, the most powerful original game homing missile - Firestalker - deals arond 2500 damage with 1 shot. It costs 260000. Is the Swarm so much more powerful and special? No, I don't think so.

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You are right, I did say I was tired, not sure where 65000 came from. I had a decimal point in the wrong place. It is 2.25 times more powerful than the codename so energy would be 29.7 per missile. There's even less difference when compared to cannonball which was the original most powerful at 4890 hull (doesn't track as well as the firestalker though). So swarm has OK damage but it is still free, unlimited and nearly impossible to avoid. If left as it is I'll certainly be putting 2 on my Huegenot when I get it. :D
I guess though that the main issue was being able to mount it anywhere which you have solved. :)

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Role-played characters:
daedalus - Liberty Navy
bandersnatch - Ruthless criminal possessed by a (huge) alien
Shredder - Small-time Kusari pirate, looking to join the Blood Dragons

"Bounty Hunters. We don't need that scum." - Admiral Piett

[Igiss]

I'm testing a new patch right now (mostly on my own, there's nothing complicated). Changes:

Fixed shipdealer on Huegenot bases;
Marsflyer weapons have shorter range and are less powerful;
Marsflyer costs more;
Swarm is slightly less powerful and consumes some energy;
Fixed bugs with Marsflyer and Rheinland Bomber power supplies.