I think the rules now are basically, use whatever you can get your hands on, but be prepared for a tech nerf, not to mention potential fallout from the owners of said tech. So if you put Krakens on a Titan with a Hessian ID... You won't get sanctioned. However, your power plant will be nerfed to nothing, and you'll probably get shot by all three of the Outcasts, Corsairs, and Hessians.
Since no faction owns the AI ships, that part isn't as much of a problem (except for factions which hate AIs, maybe). You might have to deal with a tech nerf, but you never know until you try.
' Wrote:well this is why im asking for help regarding this matter:D
so much confusion about Zoner ID And AI ships
untill an Admin/ Admins comfirms yes or no then im leaving our AI S.E.F vessels as they are with AI ID and zoner'/zonerguard IFF
we at the S.E.F just wanna play safe and not break any rules regarding tech/ship use
many thanks for all ur help so far:)
I think the more important question is--what are you trying to represent by using the Zoner ID instead? The AI ships are not human-designed, and the Zoners are human. Having a Zoner ID represents being a Zoner.
If you're trying to be Zoner-affiliated AI, which really makes no sense anyway, then AI ID/Zoner IFF is the right course of action.
' Wrote:I think the more important question is--what are you trying to represent by using the Zoner ID instead? The AI ships are not human-designed, and the Zoners are human. Having a Zoner ID represents being a Zoner.
If you're trying to be Zoner-affiliated AI, which really makes no sense anyway, then AI ID/Zoner IFF is the right course of action.
again thanks for the input :)
what we are trying to create are Zoner Built sentient AIs while using few as possible IDs for our faction
their intended role is unmanned exploration vessels that go where it is unsafe/to far for humans to go.
our faction uses Zoner ID (main) freelancer miner ID for our mining rigs and currently AI IDS for our unmanned probes:D
im trying to (if possible) is get our faction down to 2 IDs as to reduce the confusion on who we are:D
hope i helped make more sence out of what we are tying to put together
again many thanks for the help in this matter
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' Wrote:I dont think that AI vessels can be used by anyone exept of AI. In terms of RP This vessels dont have standart places for humans. and tech read chart: AI ships and tech closed for all non AIs. but its up to you: break RP and rule or ot
Pretty much anyone can use anything they are not red with on tech chart now. BUT Any mix of tech is going to pretty much make your ship useless in a fight because of new mixed tech ninja.
what we are trying to create are Zoner Built sentient AIs while using few as possible IDs for our faction
their intended role is unmanned exploration vessels that go where it is unsafe/to far for humans to go.
our faction uses Zoner ID (main) freelancer miner ID for our mining rigs and currently AI IDS for our unmanned probes:D
im trying to (if possible) is get our faction down to 2 IDs as to reduce the confusion on who we are:D
hope i helped make more sence out of what we are tying to put together
again many thanks for the help in this matter
The AI ships are not human-built ships. They are independent, sentient AIs that have "evolved" into their current form. RPing one of those ships as having been built by a human goes against the lore of those ships.
You don't need an AI ID or AI ship to RP as an AI. You can RP as an AI-controlled vessel with any ID and any ship. For your purposes it would make more sense to use a Zoner ID with a Zoner ship (the conference comes to mind) and RP that it has been converted to be controlled by a sentient AI with no crew.
Certainly it would make more sense for the zoners to fit an AI module to an existing ship type than to invest money in developing a completely new ship type.
' Wrote:The AI ships are not human-built ships. They are independent, sentient AIs that have "evolved" into their current form. RPing one of those ships as having been built by a human goes against the lore of those ships.
You don't need an AI ID or AI ship to RP as an AI. You can RP as an AI-controlled vessel with any ID and any ship. For your purposes it would make more sense to use a Zoner ID with a Zoner ship (the conference comes to mind) and RP that it has been converted to be controlled by a sentient AI with no crew.
Certainly it would make more sense for the zoners to fit an AI module to an existing ship type than to invest money in developing a completely new ship type.
He is correct in this btw. I saw BHG RPing as AI, but it haved BHG ID. About tech nerf I suppose there would be no nerf. AIs have white cell with zoners/corsairs/junkers. I placed 9 corsair cruiser turrets on my AI Cruiser and i have no nerf with powerplant. so I suppose junkers and zoners the same.
but you missing one point btw: AI vessels cant be purchased by humans and dont have any life-support tech for humans. The AI Core dont sell it secrets to nonAIs, example is AI guns using unknown tech that avoid shield type. So fact is: you can buy AI ID and Zoner ships, but not Zoner ID with AI Ships. It can be allowed now by rules but not allowed by ''The AI Core Lore'' and there is no Oficial faction that can give you ''modified for humans AI ships''
' Wrote:He is correct in this btw. I saw BHG RPing as AI, but it haved BHG ID. About tech nerf I suppose there would be no nerf. AIs have white cell with zoners/corsairs/junkers. I placed 9 corsair cruiser turrets on my AI Cruiser and i have no nerf with powerplant. so I suppose junkers and zoners the same.
but you missing one point btw: AI vessels cant be purchased by humans and dont have any life-support tech for humans. The AI Core dont sell it secrets to nonAIs, example is AI guns using unknown tech that avoid shield type. So fact is: you can buy AI ID and Zoner ships, but not Zoner ID with AI Ships. It can be allowed now by rules but not allowed by ''The AI Core Lore'' and there is no Oficial faction that can give you ''modified for humans AI ships''
i see many thanks for you input great help
maybe zoner built was a bad choice of words, maybe i should of used Rescued AI ships that pledge there loyalty to us // yes we are keeping AI ID now since more sense //:D
take mass effect 2 for example , where our idea was born. from where the lone geth helps out commander sheppard
we at S.E.F wanted to create a similar event which because of everyones help on this confusing matter can now go foward many thanks for helping us out:D
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