' Wrote:That goes into shady area of vague 6.10. I've seen people sanctioned for docking on lawful corp base when chased by admin on LN ship, i think. But i think that's wrong.
You are right- the sanction was vague and questionable because the base was Planetform owned not liberty owned, other then that military/police ship could block docking at all bases that belong to its house coprs stuff for sure, the bases that belong to other corps but in their space/ZoI- I guess them too based on this questionable sanction- it makes some sense after all- if you are in house X the police/military of X have the right to stop you docking in any base there- that was the justification of the said sanction.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
' Wrote:I guess them too based on this questionable sanction- it makes some sense after all- if you are in house X the police/military of X have the right to stop you docking in any base there- that was the justification of the said sanction.
I can't get how it makes sense for every single law enforcement officer to be able to remotely control doors to all civilian buildings. How would it work?
If the police can do it - why won't we let police factions file FR5 for every lawful group?
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' Wrote:I can't get how it makes sense for every single law enforcement officer to be able to remotely control doors to all civilian buildings. How would it work?
They dont have it. But base, or it's personal, recieves transmission from Police/Navy about intruder ship, and base's personal clousing doors.
Btw, all bases has communication arrays, so base personal in tower recieves all local transmission, even those like: Ship XXXXX, you are not allowed to dock with base here!
Dont think, that base administration will be happy, to get report, about letting intruder craft dock there.
That, how it should be in RP
Don't forget that most ships aren't landing on the planet. That's why they use the mooring fixture - they're mooring in space, for use of heavy lifters to move stuff planetside. It's the same reason big ships are built in space. So most transports can't really escape onto a planet.
Ships like the X-Shuttle though, they should be able to dodge anything and land on their own.
' Wrote:They dont have it. But base, or it's personal, recieves transmission from Police/Navy about intruder ship, and base's personal clousing doors.
Btw, all bases has communication arrays, so base personal in tower recieves all local transmission, even those like: Ship XXXXX, you are not allowed to dock with base here!
Dont think, that base administration will be happy, to get report, about letting intruder craft dock there.
That, how it should be in RP
If I understand you correctly, the player with police ID makes decision regarding to base belonging to another ID. Powergaming.
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On topic. Depends on ship ID, and police ID, and planet/base ID
If a junker is told not to dock on junker base by lawfuls. Just laugh and dock.
If a junker is told not to dock on police base by lawfuls listen or get sanctioned/FR5'd from lawful.(I know this, as it happened to me.
If a lawful like DSE docks on DSE planet after lawful tells it not to. Same as junker. It is "your" Planet not the lawfuls. So dock away.
Now if you got contraband no matter ID or planet/base. Lawful will put you on wanted list, and fine you. Not that they ever check that list.
' Wrote:FWIW, I put in a report for someone who "hacked the docks" for an LPI planet after I'd stated "lock docks", and no sanction ever came of it, so YMMV.
Try it against RM. They had me sanctioned/FR5'd in 5 hours. But I am sure that is Coincidence, and not favortism.
The only way to prevent this from happening is to give players the temporary ability to turn each other red (as in, to do so without changing the repsheet of the other player permanently). Otherwise, it will always be open to interpretation.
I'm sure this could be regulated quite easily if it werent for the fact that a passing dreadnought patrol could simply beat on a defenseless transport if somebody was having a bad day.
As it stands, rules like this rely on 6.10, which I've already made clear my stance on. Those who enforce it would seek to justify its presence by situations such as this, but permanent work-around's should exist and should be able to be implemented, were people willing to take this step forwards.
I very much doubt that anybody would be amicable to giving all the LPI the ability to make LPI bases red to somebody (official and unofficial characters), while making abuse of the usage of this ability sanctionable by RP consequences only, and then strengthening the RP consequences that can be used by the parent faction.
Because of that, we'll always be in this limbo of misunderstanding between one another, which is what 6.10 creates.
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