OC titan is SRP char. With story. And that same character existed before more than a year then he switched sides. But here we are not talking about SRP.
I used to think that then you destroy the ship. You actually destroy it. Just character gets new one.. So now we need to rp that then you boom the ship the ship it self didn't? wtf are you suggesting here.
Now what's the diffrence between the guns and ship. If you are corsair, lets say. You loose one ship, it makes sense in roleplay that you will get another corsair ship with all equipment which is supplied by your faction or open market.
Then you loose tizonas .. as random mercinary with the ship. From where do you get tizonas then? >.>
Seems like you are trying to find some loopholes on porpuse instead of think up something rational. Useless effort.. it's like throwing bolonies at tanks. No meaning at all.
When my ship is destroyed I get them from the armory that was full of them when the Reavers turned on the Corsairs. That is my current role play answer to your role play question.
As I've said, if a system is implemented that forces all weapons that are white or red cell to have to be re-bought by the person who has a SRP or faction permission; I'd roll with it. Funny though, I'm sure I can bribe a Corsair in game to buy them for me.
That said, such a system needs to be automatic and done in game. Not via sanction reports. There'd be a ton of reports filed to remove technology off ships that were destroyed if it is done via sanction reports.
The reason I'm not giving them up when my fighter is killed right now (which is rare, seeing as I mainly fly my bombers)? I'm not required to and no one else is either.
This thread is a thinly veiled whine about the Reavers having Corsair technology. I'm fine with that. Problem is, you want to enforce consequences on one faction but not on every other faction.
Funny, you have a OC Titan yet are claiming that it is impossible for another group or individual to produce or repair Corsair technology. Contradicting yourself there, you are. If it is possible for one character it is possible for others as well.
Quote:That said, such a system needs to be automatic and done in game. Not via sanction reports. There'd be a ton of reports filed to remove technology off ships that were destroyed if it is done via sanction reports.
No. If it's made that tech is gone along with FR5 it wouldn't. How many FR5's do you see per week? So, to strip someone of it's technology you should have enough evidence to file a FR5. It's easy and simple. With one request you'd get his reputation adjusted and his technology removed.
It's not only about Reavers having Corsair technology though. As far as I know there's another faction with Osirises used against both Order and Corsairs.
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What does bother me however is the favoritism involved in this, by the Admin team obviously. Thing is, even now the tech sharing rules state that the approved tech can't be reversed unless there were clear terms stated when the tech was approved. There were clear terms stated in your deal with the Corsairs. So, the new rules were applied retroactively, but then the edit in those new rules wasn't applied retroactively.
Quote:The person wielding any weapons or ships granted by us, it is not allowed to use this technology against Corsairs or our allies unless in the case of self-defense.
In case that any request is approved, you authorise the A.D.M.I.N. authority to reclaim the ship on behalf of the Imperio del Corsario in the event of any breech of the terms specified.
Quote: Once equipment is approved, then it stays approved, no matter what happens in roleplay or in the personal situation between the involved parties, unless terms and conditions on it are explicitly stated BEFOREHAND and agreed by both parties.
Disgusting.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
' Wrote:The reason I'm not giving them up when my fighter is killed right now (which is rare, seeing as I mainly fly my bombers)? I'm not required to and no one else is either.
This thread is a thinly veiled whine about the Reavers having Corsair technology. I'm fine with that. Problem is, you want to enforce consequences on one faction but not on every other faction.
Funny, you have a OC Titan yet are claiming that it is impossible for another group or individual to produce or repair Corsair technology. Contradicting yourself there, you are. If it is possible for one character it is possible for others as well.
Yep. White cell in theory. But then faction group turns hostile they (should) be red. And no I have no problem with reavers as a group. And I'm pretty tired of people assuming to know everything and actually making stupid claims unrelated to risen question to look right in the eyes of the others, while not proving anything.
OC titan is OC made prototype. Make your research before you talk.
And the main problem is not that someone has something what they shouldn't have (which already looks terribly out of place, btw). It's becouse such system forces some factions to close their tech to everyone.
' Wrote:Actually, no, it isn't. That is you saying it should because you want it that way. You can't decide what a players character is going to do, as such if a player feels his Corsair's role play takes him away from being loyal to the Empire first, he is free to do so.
The fact that a player can roleplay whatever he wants regardless of what i think does not mean what he roleplays is canon or even has to make sense.
' Wrote:That is your interpretation of the rule. The fact is, we've never been hostile per say to any group. To us it is business. Once pay for killing you stops coming, we don't care about you, thus we view you with a neutral outlook. Doesn't mean we won't defend ourselves.
Again, you interpret the rule one way and others interpret the rule another. You interpret it in a fashion that favors your argument. I interpret it in a way that favors mine.
No, it's not an interpretation, it's pretty clear. Stop being willfully dense.
IF SOMEONE HAS SHOT AT YOU, YOU SHOULDN'T HIRE THEM.
And yes, i do realize i've made that mistake before.
gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|
' Wrote:No. If it's made that tech is gone along with FR5 it wouldn't. How many FR5's do you see per week? So, to strip someone of it's technology you should have enough evidence to file a FR5. It's easy and simple. With one request you'd get his reputation adjusted and his technology removed.
It's not only about Reavers having Corsair technology though. As far as I know there's another faction with Osirises used against both Order and Corsairs.
EDIT:
What does bother me however is the favoritism involved in this, by the Admin team obviously. Thing is, even now the tech sharing rules state that the approved tech can't be reversed unless there were clear terms stated when the tech was approved. There were clear terms stated in your deal with the Corsairs. So, the new rules were applied retroactively, but then the edit in those new rules wasn't applied retroactively.
Disgusting.
Merely making a person hostile to your faction doesn't warrant removing the technology. If you want the technology removed, go remove it. That means go kill the target.
What you want is for the administrators to do your role play for you. Poor form, mate, poor form.
Actually, no there wasn't clear terms stated. Hence the reason we still have the guns. We have proof in the form of many many screen shots of the entire thread regarding the technology deal. The deal wasn't made in the normal Corsair technology request thread, that does have restrictions. It was done in its own entire thread, of which didn't have any restrictions mentioned. Please get your facts in order.
' Wrote:Yep. White cell in theory. But then faction group turns hostile they (should) be red. And no I have no problem with reavers as a group. And I'm pretty tired of people assuming to know everything and actually making stupid claims unrelated to risen question to look right in the eyes of the others, while not proving anything.
OC titan is OC made prototype. Make your research before you talk.
And the main problem is not that someone has something what they shouldn't have (which already looks terribly out of place, btw). It's becouse such system forces some factions to close their tech to everyone.
I know it is a OC made prototype. However, in game it is in fact a Titan. It has the same states as a Corsair Titan. Who is to say that someone out there cannot produce a prototype of a Corsair weapon? Hrm?
You yourself have set the precedence that it is possible for a non Corsair to produce Corsair technology with a Corsair's help.
The system hasn't forced you to close your tech to everyone. That is a choice the Elders made. You are free to grant tech and impose restrictions on them.
You are free to give a merc Corsair guns and make it very clear ooRP and inRP that if he ever uses them against a Corsair, they fall off via some creative mechanism.
The Elders have merely chosen not to.
' Wrote:The fact that a player can roleplay whatever he wants regardless of what i think does not mean what he roleplays is canon or even has to make sense.
No, it's not an interpretation, it's pretty clear. Stop being willfully dense.
IF SOMEONE HAS SHOT AT YOU, YOU SHOULDN'T HIRE THEM.
And yes, i do realize i've made that mistake before.
Yes, it is an interpretation. You'll notice that laws and rules all over the world are interpreted differently. Again, do read vanilla information. The Microsoft Freelancer development team made it vanilla lore that factions have hired those who shot at them before. Go read Rheinland Corporation rumors in the Omegas.
I'm not being dense, I'm just stating a view point that you don't agree with and you can't accept it. If you think the Reavers are breaking a rule, file a sanction report.
Hey interesting conversation you boys are having here.
Not going to get too involved as you all seem to be addressing all the issues.
I do have one question though.
Quote:When my ship is destroyed I get them from the armory that was full of them when the Reavers turned on the Corsairs. That is my current role play answer to your role play question.
Quote:Merely making a person hostile to your faction doesn't warrant removing the technology. If you want the technology removed, go remove it. That means go kill the target.
Could someone tell me how it is possible to follow the preceding arguement?
How would one get the technology back by killing if one is to just mount new ones?
Would this mean the only way to follow the first advice would be to attempt to drive a player off the server?
I would hate to think it was meant like that, thought I should clarify.
Thanks again.