Hogosha ID

[Dane Summers]

cant we get back to bashing on the lolwut hogosha indies in cap8 kuex's?

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[Yuki]

cant we get back to bashing on the lolwut hogosha indies in cap8 kuex's?

Thank you.


Naturally, I despise almost all indy Hogosha players, because they only show interest in the faction because of "lol lawful pie rat". That had to be stopped, so I respect the changes in the ID restricting piracy in Kusari house space.

However, I've run into a problem..
According to canon roleplay, both the Hogosha and the Farmers' Alliance are Militia groups. For the illiterate under us, the term Militia is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[2] to provide defence, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service.
Being a militia group, the Hogosha should be able to AT LEAST stop a trader carrying contraband, force him to drop it, and destroy this trader if it does not comply.
Also inRP; what that hogosha does with the dropped cargo, is not mentioned anywhere, by anyone.


The only way to shoot traders at present time, is through means i found out last week.

Scenario: A trader carrying military vehicles through Kusari is being chased by the KNF, past my Renzu Liner, into a trade lane.
I saw this, and with militia mindset in mind, entered the tradelane after the two, knowing the Kusari Codex outlaws Military Vehicles.
The officer managed to halt the smuggler, but was clearly lacking firepower in his fighter.
Noticing this, I thought of a line in my current ID, stating that i can ally with the KNF, so i offered him my guns. He gratefully took the offer, ordered me to lower the smuggler's shields, which I did. The smuggler did not yield, so I was ordered to destroy the vessel, which i also did.

Following RP, the KNF left the scene, leaving me behind with the military vehicles floating around in space. He didn't need to know what i would do with it, which is why he left.
I took it, ferried it to Kabukicho, and sold it.

End of scenario. (Based on reality) (actually, it was reality)

This is what the Hogosha should be able to do ALONE. Busting smugglers carrying stuff that was outlawed by the Kusari Legal Codex!
The Black Dragon Society was rarely pirating. We were mostly trading, and patrolling sectors where we're supposed to patrol according to RP. Mainly in the New Tokyo system, with focus on the Kanto Field (the one around Kabukicho Depot).
This has already been going on for 3 months.

Bottom line is, that i don't see any reason to further incapacitate the Black Dragon Society, since the main thing hampering our activity as a whole, is the ]bd[ organising a gankforce, every single time ANYone with a [|] tag logs on to the server. Metagaming hard to prove? Follow them.;)

And i think with that, I've said all that was on my mind about the ID, and about.. other.. disruptive elements..
It's highly unlikely I'll further mingle in any forum drama that results from this post.

Thank you.

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[9:29:51 PM] SERG: man's beauty doesnt counted

[DarthBindo]

HHAHAHAHAHA OH THATS RICH.
How about your open war on IC? I was shot down whilst flying escort a dozen times by [|] alone before I learned to avoid Kusari like the plague.

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gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|

[Drake]

The thing is, the more groups you have policing contraband, the less reason there is to actually have police. Too many Houses already make police practically obsolete because the military does the same job without adding even more factions to do the same thing.

Also, "emergency law enforcement" isn't the same as regular policing.

Just my opinion, I don't feel particularly strongly about that issue.

[varoshanin]

Thank you.
Naturally, I despise almost all indy Hogosha players, because they only show interest in the faction because of "lol lawful pie rat". That had to be stopped, so I respect the changes in the ID restricting piracy in Kusari house space.

However, I've run into a problem..
According to canon roleplay, both the Hogosha and the Farmers' Alliance are Militia groups. For the illiterate under us, the term Militia is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[2] to provide defence, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service.
Being a militia group, the Hogosha should be able to AT LEAST stop a trader carrying contraband, force him to drop it, and destroy this trader if it does not comply.
Also inRP; what that hogosha does with the dropped cargo, is not mentioned anywhere, by anyone.
The only way to shoot traders at present time, is through means i found out last week.

Scenario: A trader carrying military vehicles through Kusari is being chased by the KNF, past my Renzu Liner, into a trade lane.
I saw this, and with militia mindset in mind, entered the tradelane after the two, knowing the Kusari Codex outlaws Military Vehicles.
The officer managed to halt the smuggler, but was clearly lacking firepower in his fighter.
Noticing this, I thought of a line in my current ID, stating that i can ally with the KNF, so i offered him my guns. He gratefully took the offer, ordered me to lower the smuggler's shields, which I did. The smuggler did not yield, so I was ordered to destroy the vessel, which i also did.

Following RP, the KNF left the scene, leaving me behind with the military vehicles floating around in space. He didn't need to know what i would do with it, which is why he left.
I took it, ferried it to Kabukicho, and sold it.

End of scenario. (Based on reality) (actually, it was reality)

This is what the Hogosha should be able to do ALONE. Busting smugglers carrying stuff that was outlawed by the Kusari Legal Codex!
The Black Dragon Society was rarely pirating. We were mostly trading, and patrolling sectors where we're supposed to patrol according to RP. Mainly in the New Tokyo system, with focus on the Kanto Field (the one around Kabukicho Depot).
This has already been going on for 3 months.

Bottom line is, that i don't see any reason to further incapacitate the Black Dragon Society, since the main thing hampering our activity as a whole, is the ]bd[ organising a gankforce, every single time ANYone with a [|] tag logs on to the server. Metagaming hard to prove? Follow them.;)

And i think with that, I've said all that was on my mind about the ID, and about.. other.. disruptive elements..
It's highly unlikely I'll further mingle in any forum drama that results from this post.

Thank you.

Ok you do what you think hogosha should do but..
Hogosha no more allied with KNF or KSP.. now ]bd[ are? ... why dev team dont setup rep ninja like will they do ... hogosha..protectors? of what? Kishiro? ]bd[ regime? i don't get it ... i dont think about piracy ... piracy is something else..here is point Hogosha ID and Hogosha ZOI? what zoi what is hogosha RP now? ...
They should be RED to KSP KNF , all lawful coorp... exept Samura or with them also? and why you simple not setup rep ninjaand dev team and several people says no more kuex with CAU 7 will pirating, bombers are best for that believe me but here is not THAT point... point is why Hogosha are nerfed because? Why not just get it Rep ninja like all pirate and similiar faction? No ... let make them double nerfed! :yahoo:..
And i say again Hogosha (protectors) of what and who? Democratic Kusari? Kishiro? ]bd[?

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[Yuki]

Fine. one last mingle before i go to bed.

Ok you do what you think hogosha should do but..
Hogosha no more allied with KNF or KSP.. now ]bd[ are? ... why dev team dont setup rep ninja like will they do ... hogosha..protectors? of what? Kishiro? ]bd[ regime? i don't get it ... i dont think about piracy ... piracy is something else..here is point Hogosha ID and Hogosha ZOI? what zoi what is hogosha RP now? ...
They should be RED to KSP KNF , all lawful coorp... exept Samura or with them also? and why you simple not setup rep ninjaand dev team and several people says no more kuex with CAU 7 will pirating, bombers are best for that believe me but here is not THAT point... point is why Hogosha are nerfed because? Why not just get it Rep ninja like all pirate and similiar faction? No ... let make them double nerfed! :yahoo:..
And i say again Hogosha (protectors) of what and who? Democratic Kusari? Kishiro? ]bd[?

First: stop quoting someone's entire post, if that post is a wall of text. My email inbox doesn't like it, and it just makes more pages, which ain't nessecary. It's the same thread, we understand you're replying to it.

Secondly, that's quite possibly the dumbest thing I've seen in my time on disco. Read all the information on the Hogosha, AND the Black Dragon Society, THEN cry. The hogosha is NOT a pirate faction. That's what those lolwuts made it seem like, which ruined it for the official faction.


DarthBindo: I bet that was over 3 months ago, before i was leading, so you can't possibly put that on me. Discussion over.

And as for drake.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia

Defense activity or service, to protect a community, its territory, property, and laws.

When there's no police around, and we see it happening. Are we supposed to go like "Oh, that's contraband. Oh look, an asteroid flying by. I'm gonna chase that asteroid."
Don't think so.


As for the ones reaching for the REPLY button, don't. All this drama is really sad. I've already privately forwarded my opinion about the contraband part to Cannon privately, as to avoid exactly this kind of drama.

Now I'm going to go to bed. There better not be any more of them QQ replies when i wake up.

Even better: This topic should be locked.

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[9:29:51 PM] SERG: man's beauty doesnt counted

[AndrzejB]

<bad joke mode> Hey, by the new ID, Hogosha can pirate Samura/Kishiro! I'm totally doing this! </bad joke mode>
Hogosha should be limited not only in where they can pirate but also whom. Cannot demand credits and cargo within Kusari space and from Kusarian corporations, or similar. With all the desire to exploit every loophole, I think it is necessary.
(The same applies to Junker ID).

Yuki, your Hogosha have done exactly what he was supposed to do - acted like an emergency, auxiliary law enforcement when asked. "Can demand only contraband in Kusari space" is a viable option. However, some of the goods which are technically contraband are legal to carry if licensed. It's getting a bit too complex, I think.
There is also an option to make a screenshot of contraband and report it to the police.

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Feel free to PM me regarding any grammar/spelling/other language mistakes I have made in my posts.

[...] Outcasts get sniffy [...]

Bloody foreigners.

[Svarog]

Naturally, I despise almost all indy Hogosha players, because they only show interest in the faction because of "lol lawful pie rat". That had to be stopped, so I respect the changes in the ID restricting piracy in Kusari house space.

That's what those lolwuts made it seem like, which ruined it for the official faction.
I bet that was over 3 months ago, before i was leading, so you can't possibly put that on me.

Are you Hogosha leader?

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[Drake]

One, don't expect people not to reply to a thread just because you want the last word. Likewise, there's no reason for a thread to be locked when people (including yourself) are still discussing things.

Two, "emergency law enforcement" is what you said, I was just quoting it. Kusari isn't in a state of emergency (though it was in the time between 4.85 and 4.86, I believe), so has no need for emergency law enforcement or emergency anything. It has regular police, who aren't really failing to do their jobs in-RP, they just don't have players online doing the job 24/7.

Three, I doubt the Hogosha would be considered an official Militia in a Kishiro-dominant Kusari. The info page on the wiki doesn't mention militia at all. And I believe someone official (Zelot?) already mentioned earlier in this thread that the Farmer's Alliance are back to being fully unlawful now.

Basically, the Hogosha are being returned to their roots as a subtly unlawful nationalistic Yakuza, neither run-of-the-mill pirates nor a paramilitary organization.

[varoshanin]

@ yuki...

i dont cry i dont never do piracy in kusari with my hogosha.. i was do that with my AFA..:cool:that was doing you guys with [I] in rabas and Hog ID near JG to honshu... last 3 monts..;)i see them a lot ....
My point what you BDS do now? ... Did you still allied with KSP and KNF? I dont think so....

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