fail troll Fran.. ye send me one, why not.. you are so generous.
and Alley it's more than funny to hear... Failed gank.. I wasn't even there.. but oh.. you are so pride of yourself.. you was in ]bd[ and [ronin]... and only saw ganks from [KNF] muhahahahaha.
Unfortunately your hate closes your eyes and you can't see other thing, aka RP. Go look for Bakamono RP post about Admiral Takahashi, maybe then you will get an idea about why I told "You don't know our rp".
(10-23-2012, 03:26 PM)Jansen Wrote: And yet another question, are you still basing things of the Nomad lore or did you make something new, essentially ignoring the base of Nomad RP on this server?
This is not just me, as Huggie authed it and pretty much participated to it's creation as well as official leader of the nomads.
So far all I see is that for whatever reason the Wilde seem to dislike this project. Seems to coincide with the "k'hara sucks ignore them" stance of the Wilde I've seen mentioned a few times now.
We are not ignoring the lore, we're only evolving it a little bit to allow a few branches of roleplay to be created because while maybe wildes feel comfortable in roleplaying the same thing all the time since they were created, our K'Hara players appreciate to have some diversity.
What we pretty much used was the holes left in the nomad lore and filled them, slightly altered some bits but also done in an effort to not suddenly explode the current, main nomad roleplay which is the Harbinger side.
I sincerely don't get why Wilde are that mad. I mean it's not like you've ever been involved in any roleplay with the nomads for a long time, let alone meet one of you ingame.
(10-23-2012, 03:28 PM)Yaoquizque Wrote: Excuse me Alley, but i don't recall you explaining anything about this to us, when you ventured in Kyushu.
I really thought it had been longer than that. Apparently not. My bad then.
(10-23-2012, 03:34 PM)Alley Wrote: So far all I see is that for whatever reason the Wilde seem to dislike this project. Seems to coincide with the "k'hara sucks ignore them" stance of the Wilde I've seen mentioned a few times now.
What does our opinion on this nomad civilian war idea has to do anything with the stance towards the official nomad faction?
They are our allies and we respect them, I don't know where you have gotten the idea that we do not.
(10-23-2012, 03:34 PM)Alley Wrote: Its not just me, as Huggie authed it and pretty much participated to it's creation as well as official leader of the nomads.
Then excuse my grumpy wildness, but how does this RP fit within the existing lore? That is the main problem I have with it and Im not really satisfied with the answer "Huggie said its okay, so it has to be good".
(10-23-2012, 03:34 PM)Alley Wrote: So far all I see is that for whatever reason the Wilde seem to dislike this project. Seems to coincide with the "k'hara sucks ignore them" stance of the Wilde I've seen mentioned a few times now.
I dislike this project because it goes against the main principle of being a Nomad, that is the Mindshare, which might allow some individuality, but should not allow a thing like a civil war. So Im not thinking that the K'Hara suck, its just this one idea.
(10-23-2012, 03:34 PM)Alley Wrote: What we pretty much used was the holes left in the nomad lore and filled them, slightly altered some bits but also done in an effort to not suddenly explode the current, main nomad roleplay which is the Harbinger side.
No you make things up in a way that contradicts with the lore.
Here is how I see it, thats right out of the lores FAQ:
Quote:Can Nomads have independent clans?
In short: no. The Nomads do have castes but they are not independent from each
other and as a whole. Firstly because individuality, while not lacking it completely, is
not seen as a cornerstone of the existence, it's not an ultimate goal as with certain
human ideologies, but rather a pragmatic tool of self expression within a limited
boundary permitted. However the most important factor is that the Nomads cannot
evolve as a species without Mindshare. The key to their success lies within unity
brought to the whole new meaning inaccessible to the humans. The Nomads have no
secrets from each other, they function as entire collective, a powerful
super-consciousness made up of millions of individual beings interconnected in a
complex distributed peer network with high levels of availability and redundancy, thus
making sure that the system is stable, akin to clusters. The more there are each of them
connected to the Mindshare - the more powerful the Nomads are, both individually
and as a whole. On an individual level they receive more knowledge from other peers,
increasing their intelligence and awareness of the situations to an extent of seeing
future as being modeled by Advisors based on the volumes of data. On a species level
they are able to gather more information from which everyone can possibly benefit.
The Nomads would have no benefit in separating themselves into independent groups,
in fact such would severely harm them by shattering into pieces the most important
key to their survival in the universe as self-sufficient specie. Whereas independence
and splitting of governing bodies in human societies comes from many factors,
including the control capacity of the body, on contrary side the Nomads have far more
sophisticated, flexible and extensible structure, lacking the limits of the human
governing body when it becomes ineffective in processing the regulatory sub-bodies
and fail-safe mechanisms provide no result. Human systems are highly vulnerable, the
history has provided enough examples. The Nomads know this quite well and use
those vulnerabilities for their own benefit, they have studied human history from their
own unique "perspective" and, as shown, are able to effectively incorporating into it,
masking into everyday roles. As a result this differs much from understanding of
independent human groups whichever they may be called.
So in my understanding the whole conncept of a Mindshare prevents things like a rebellion from happening.
The Mindshare belongs to the previous faction, the Keepers. Unless you've been really, really out of the loop Jansen, the mindshare does not exist anymore. It's now the Mirrorshare.
I'd just like to point out that the Nomads -will- be changing and they already are. The ''pure nomad'' faction is now the K'hara, not the Keepers. The Keepers had the mindshare but it had collapsed. The K'hara had made the Mirrorshare, the mirrorshare is under the ''domination'' of Harbinger. The old nomad lore will simply be our ''guidelines'' yet many things will be changing. Aurora is just the beginning of the change.
Vanilla lore never really encompassed the DK and what they actually planned to do with the Nomads so it gives us free room to evolve and change as we see fit, even though we might use RP that the DK had wanted it all along.
From what I can see that you are changing them to humans. Making them act like humans, hate like humans, fight like humans.
I'm not sure whether the Nomad lore creators wished that their work would be changed within some weeks. But yes, you are right, keepers do not exist anymore. But you are still nomads with all their nature.
And again, I am not talking about the K'hara, but on the topic what is the nomad civil war what was already denied in the past.
(10-23-2012, 05:33 PM)VRABCEK'S ALT ACCOUNT Wrote: I'm not sure whether the Nomad lore creators wished that their work would be changed within some weeks. But yes, you are right, keepers do not exist anymore. But you are still nomads with all their nature.
And again, I am not talking about the K'hara, but on the topic what is the nomad civil war what was already denied in the past.
Didn't Nomad lore state that Wilde were totally separated from this 'Mindshare' (and hence being addressed as wild due to the super aggressive nature) yet you lot decided to operate as if you were in total harmony with nomads? Hypocrisy much?
(10-23-2012, 05:33 PM)Wilde.Geist Wrote: And again, I am not talking about the K'hara, but on the topic what is the nomad civil war what was already denied in the past.
It was denied by the Keepers faction leader, whom had his personal view of nomad roleplay, and what could be done and not done within nomad roleplay.
Nowadays it is a new faction leader, with his personal view of nomad roleplay, and what can be done and can not done within nomad roleplay.
If that is the essential matter, I suggest you take it directly up to him.