Quote:And instead of having two factions that are rivals (Kruger/DHC) while practically doing similar things, one healthy and active Rheinland mining faction would be better imo.
DHC is already more then fine. On the other hand, I really, really want Kruger to mine H-3 in S-13, though now I admit that our trade routes are... well, not really good. (we can't land on liberty bases or southampton)
EDIT: Threat of ALG-Kruger merger is nicely dealt with on Kruger faction status. It might happen, but it won't, if Kruger players don't want it to happen or devs won't intrefere... :|
Miloslav, Mannheim in Frankfurt buys He-3 for a pretty penny! It's ot far from the fields, either.
I'd say, give Kruger the same bonus for He-3 mining as Kishiro, or at least as good as the one Samura got. Right now, it's the same as for Independent Miner IDs.
It'd be nice to have another mining group, although I'd suggest that BMM needs love just now (with DHC doing well). Of course, it'd also be good not to be the pirate group that Kruger supposedly descended into before disbandment.
It is up to you about how cooperative you are with Daumann, but my impression has been that you both like each other more than IMG Personally I've seen enough squabbling between Rheinland factions already...
Of course, what makes a faction interesting can be the roleplay it has with those around it. Perhaps make a deal with the Unioners to out-compete Repex, and maybe the Hogosha (and Farmers?) to pressure the GMG in S-13 - stuff like that.
As Asbestos said, a slightly higher bonus (2x is the 'stealing' bonus that IMG has on Uncut Diamonds).
(03-04-2013, 09:12 PM)SummerMcLovin Wrote: It'd be nice to have another mining group, although I'd suggest that BMM needs love just now (with DHC doing well). Of course, it'd also be good not to be the pirate group that Kruger supposedly descended into before disbandment.
It is up to you about how cooperative you are with Daumann, but my impression has been that you both like each other more than IMG Personally I've seen enough squabbling between Rheinland factions already...
Of course, what makes a faction interesting can be the roleplay it has with those around it. Perhaps make a deal with the Unioners to out-compete Repex, and maybe the Hogosha (and Farmers?) to pressure the GMG in S-13 - stuff like that.
As Asbestos said, a slightly higher bonus (2x is the 'stealing' bonus that IMG has on Uncut Diamonds).
I'm not leader of current Kurger group, but I'm thinking of Kruger-Samura business relationship too. 8-|
We don't compete with Repex, though - on which ground?
As for IMG, I think we should be equally neutral to both IMG and DHC...
Our main enemies IRP would probably be Hessians and Bundschuh, if you're concerned with diplo.
Asbestos, Mannheim is the only place we can sell it at, though. We can't dock on Southampton (BMM base :S) or on Liberty bases. I thought it'd be better to rise price up to 6k and move/add selling point to Freiburg - to provide Rheinland with acitivty. But we've got what we have.
(03-04-2013, 10:48 PM)Miloslav Wrote: We don't compete with Repex, though - on which ground?
My thoughts were that it was Daumann and Republican (sort of) against Kruger and ALG. Perhaps Repex have taken the middle ground, not sure.
(03-04-2013, 10:48 PM)Miloslav Wrote: Our main enemies IRP would probably be Hessians and Bundschuh, if you're concerned with diplo.
Bundschuh have a lot of lore interaction from your role in breaking Rheinland and the 80 Years War. If you do get active and go against GMG (possibly with Unioners on your side as I suggested) then that fits in with my ideas for possible Bundschuh-GMG relations
(03-04-2013, 10:48 PM)Miloslav Wrote: We don't compete with Repex, though - on which ground?
My thoughts were that it was Daumann and Republican (sort of) against Kruger and ALG. Perhaps Repex have taken the middle ground, not sure.
(03-04-2013, 10:48 PM)Miloslav Wrote: Our main enemies IRP would probably be Hessians and Bundschuh, if you're concerned with diplo.
Bundschuh have a lot of lore interaction from your role in breaking Rheinland and the 80 Years War. If you do get active and go against GMG (possibly with Unioners on your side as I suggested) then that fits in with my ideas for possible Bundschuh-GMG relations
I thought about the same scenario as VF. ;D But, it's unlikely VF will get really active. We have 5 people for now, though.
As for RepEx, we don't have grounds for competition atm - it's ALG who competes with them and DHC over goverment ship building contracts. We produce mining equipment, H-Fuel, some ores (which don't contradict with DHC/IMG much) and steal H-3. I might need to do more research in lore, ofc, but that's how I see it atm.
I shall pop my head up here, just to simply remind those of what they have so easily forgotten, then mostly go back to the darkness I came forth from.
Kruger| used to be the official faction. I used to lead it and I still have a few Kruger| ships. But the faction was destroyed, by my determination to fight those who thought they could do what they wanted and those who's quest for power meant nothing and no one could stand in their way.
I would advice against flying the Kruger ID. Daumann is still alive and when it comes to mining in Rheinland you need to be in a group. Daumann generally have a little more support, more places to mine and more bases to escape to. Not to mention better reputation to transport their own ore.
But should you continue with the Kruger ID. I urge you not to trust the IMG|. I remember quiet clearly the days of flying to a field, saying hello to the IMG| miners, then suddenly they log out, and 3 minutes later the Hessians and [RF] came looking for blue messages. And now the Hessians have their advanced tech and battleships, your chances of survival are even lower.
Now of course Jack and anyone in the IMG| will deny this, and simply call me paranoid, butthurt and that all my sayings are a pathetic conspiracy.
If you're looking for credits, join the IMG|. They have the ships, players, fields, mining bonuses and reputation to do whatever the hell they want.
If you're looking for role play, you wont find it in Rheinland, in fact, you'll be lucky to find it anywhere on this server anymore.
And to those who remember me. Yes, I'm still here, yes I'm still watching and no, I have not forgotten.
(03-05-2013, 11:50 AM)Gforce Wrote: Kruger| used to be the official faction. I used to lead it and I still have a few Kruger| ships. But the faction was destroyed, by my determination to fight those who thought they could do what they wanted and those who's quest for power meant nothing and no one could stand in their way.
Sounds so chivalric and white. Wasn't the faction disbanded by Admins for a multitude of rule violations and disruptive behaviour?
Quote:But should you continue with the Kruger ID. I urge you not to trust the IMG|. I remember quiet clearly the days of flying to a field, saying hello to the IMG| miners, then suddenly they log out, and 3 minutes later the Hessians and [RF] came looking for blue messages. [...] Now of course Jack and anyone in the IMG| will deny this, and simply call me paranoid, butthurt and that all my sayings are a pathetic conspiracy.
It was after your actions (Hogosha alts, later FA alts, Dublin wings, Kruger Vigilantes everywhere) that IMG players made Hessian indies (not RF). Do not mix cause and effect. And there have never been more than 2-3 players that also play in IMG| and RF. A few of us fly indies sometimes... some IMG even fly XTF, 101st and Khara and attack us! OMG. So bad a crime!
The "IMG| = RF" is a myth that you made your creed and which fits your illusion in which you portray yourself and your faction as the martyr victim of injustice. Ehm... wait a moment. Who was disbanded again?
Quote:And now the Hessians have their advanced tech and battleships, your chances of survival are even lower.
Yep. Delete the "can treat as combat target" line in the Hessian ID. It is bad for gameplay. Gameplay > roleplay. I side with every soft-target faction when it comes to this ID-paragraph. It is nothing but disruptive and destructive.
Quote:If you're looking for credits, join the IMG|. They have the ships, players, fields, mining bonuses and reputation to do whatever the hell they want.
Partially true.
ID is good and gets adjusted (transport capacity).
Reputation is good, but people claiming that IMG has no enemies are invited to the Taus. Your Hessians are by no means more dangerous than a real OC spam. And the OC spam in T23 happens more often. Not even to mention the "special friends".
Quote:Yes, I'm still here, yes I'm still watching and no, I have not forgotten.
Also, when you say "Hello" with a gunboat while there, at the time, was an agreement in place to not harass eachother in their respective mining zones in Omega 7, then yea, naturally we assume you're up to no good. The few times we continue the mining op we had going at the time, we suddenly had the various Copper and whatnot Kruger vigilantes attacking. I remember those times quite well G-force, as well as my attempts to cool things down. Corporate rivalry is good. Out of roleplay hating is not, nor is spouting blind assumptions as truths. A couple of us IMG ended up, like Henderson said, cloning your idea about using pirate alts to target Kruger| members who were doing the same to us. They were untagged Odins, the lot of them. Mine was "Klaus.Stein" - but since those times expired due to inactivity. Given your faction started that behaviour, you're hardly in a position to cry about it being done to you.
As for the IMG| being able to do whatever we want, not exactly true. The fact that we tend to keep a low profile and not start conflict, cooperate with the law whenever it's reasonable to do so while also offering support to the "worker revolution" type of unlawful faction, is why IMG in-lore thrived. Why IMG| is doing well? Simple, regular convoys, regular mining ops, and often enough someone or something to shoot at (indy pirates, Outcasts, Sairs). Folk who want to use the IMG| for warmongering generally find my own faction lead voice telling 'em not to. If they persist, they're booted out. IMG's about mining, ore deliveries and defending mining ops/convoys. Not much else.
Current top cash mining is actually gasmining - GMG in Sigma 19. Next top cash is Beryllium from Cambridge to Dortmund (BMM and IMG do this), followed closely by Aluminium to Stokes and Silver to Harris (Daumann and Kruger have the best means to do those respectively). I was careful to give each mining faction a "top cash on this run" option when the 4.86 initial mining rates were assigned - except IMG, which have a bonus in diversity rather then top profit. (I'm basing this on profit-for-time-spent, and assume there won't be jump trading involved.)
If there are enough players to restart a Kruger faction, then personally I would welcome it, so long as the players within can be respectful to fellow players, in-faction or not. True, they will have to contend with Hessian heavies on occasion, but a few RM alts (or working closely with the RM faction) can balance this out. There's no reason why a few RMBSses can't be docked at either Freistadt or Elbich.
As for who competes with whom: Repex competes with Daumann in shipbuilding, but otherwise is more or less a partner. Repex is a shipper primarily, Daumann, ALG and Kruger are industrial giants. Kruger and ALG are growing closer together in lore, alluding to a possible merger. Kruger competes with Daumann in mining primarily, ALG competes with Daumann in industrial production. IMG competes with both Daumann and Kruger in mining only, and supplies ALG with raw materials. It's a weird little pentacle. I know.
Wide awake in a world that sleeps, enduring thoughts, enduring scenes. The knowledge of what is yet to come.
From a time when all seems lost, from a dead man to a world, without restraint, unafraid and free.
Mostly retired Discovery member. May still visit from time to time.
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Personally I've seen enough squabbling between Rheinland factions already...
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