Why is the community population declining?

[Jinx]

if you think any of those things is a good idea - or responsible for player loss... please make a thread with a clear poll - outside of flood - and without idiotic choices attached.


so when you think that a cashwipe / playerwipe ... or a 80% lower income or whatever is symtomatic for a decline - and/or may be a good idea in general .. poll it. ---> we DO see those things, we DO discuss them and we always review ideas.

also - those that claim balance is all messed up ... what balance are we supposed to do? - its much more complex and complicated than most ppl think

first of all we have a lot of factions that are all interconnected - then there are various balance concepts:

- balance based on pvp ( one player must be equal to one player, no matter what they use )
- balance based on lore
- balance based on invested time/efford
- balance based on fairplay

mixing them is not really the best idea ( like balancing 80% of the factions on fairplay and 20% on the lore )

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[JayDee Kasane]

P.S to JayDee: flying a char with faction respective guns and ship isn't much about RP but about the dedication and passion you share for the respective faction. Hell, why would I fly a flashpoint corsair eagle? The only thing that difference me from the other is the tiny paper that tells the traders iRpirat

no, when it comes to Corsairs. Those guys are most nation based people you can ever see around Sirius. You cant be Corsair if you dont have Corsair parents. also you cant have wife/husband or just kids from someone from out of Sair blood lines. that is against Corsair rules.
ofc there is no where said that you cant fly Corsair IDed Eagle, but this is definitly more to Lore and RP to fly true Corsair ship with Corsair guns. maybe its just my wiev on Corsair RP...

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[Govedo13]

I love how all of the people who have been here forever say that a cash wipe is no big deal because they already have everything they want. Have you even considered the newer people who are still struggling to get things?

Quite the opposite actually. I wipe my stuff every version anyway.
Also there were 2 severe bugs to exploit the cash system- one created free cau8s and the one created cash by moving money around. The third was added now with jumping barge traders and the buffed trade income and 250 mill less costing battleships.
I am also fan of full wipe, actually the cash wipe would be a bigger problem for the older players that have 2-3 accounts full of startflies or CSVs with 1-2 b each then to the new players. It is rather simple- the new players invest all of their credits in ships, the older players only have banks. The easy access to money combined with bugged money and almost none costs for dieing create the problem.

I wont comment balance in this topic it was commented many times also it is clear that every faction is the best and make the best ships and have the largest fleet with the best guns. So the balance should be PvP based and time effort investment based. It is too late for Lore based balance- many factions should loose their ships in order to do that and this is contra productive.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[Ash]

Truth is, this mod used to be good until people wanted to start controlling everything.

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[Ayem]

I left because my favourite characters were wiped by the admins, along with a whole faction.
At that point, they were the only fun I had on the server.

I felt under siege from admins and playerbase alike, had little fun with my remaining characters because I'd played them to death. So I left.

The reason I came back is because this is the one place I've found where RP and PvP can occur simultaneously without neutering yourself. These days I just stay out of the admin's way and far from politics.

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[Vogel]

Gee whiz, Batman. Want to know why the "population is declining?"

Sit on it and spin.

[ryoken]

7: Cash wipe- I does not know if this is possible but it is better solution then wiping all accounts- just leave every ship with 1 million on it. It would fix the deflation in the economy.

I love how all of the people who have been here forever say that a cash wipe is no big deal because they already have everything they want. Have you even considered the newer people who are still struggling to get things?

Either do a FULL account wipe so EVERYONE loses out or don't touch it at all

Cash wipe i am ok with. Sure i would lose alot, but it is just cash. But a full account wipe? I think not. I got 40ish chars, some have 100s-1000s of hours in them, and deleting them would make me leave, as i just do not have the time to re-make, and re-rep these chars.I know a great deal of vet players would feel the same.
Cash takes time sure, but repping, and making a good RP for your chars takes a hell of alot more.And before you yell cap whore, i got 3 caps only. The rest are snubs, and transports. I also have 0 cap8s, my best is a cap6. It is reps/RPs that make my chars valuable to me.

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[Challenger]

7: Cash wipe- I does not know if this is possible but it is better solution then wiping all accounts- just leave every ship with 1 million on it. It would fix the deflation in the economy.

I love how all of the people who have been here forever say that a cash wipe is no big deal because they already have everything they want. Have you even considered the newer people who are still struggling to get things?

Either do a FULL account wipe so EVERYONE loses out or don't touch it at all

Cash wipe i am ok with. Sure i would lose alot, but it is just cash. But a full account wipe? I think not. I got 40ish chars, some have 100s-1000s of hours in them, and deleting them would make me leave, as i just do not have the time to re-make, and re-rep these chars.I know a great deal of vet players would feel the same.
Cash takes time sure, but repping, and making a good RP for your chars takes a hell of alot more.And before you yell cap whore, i got 3 caps only. The rest are snubs, and transports. I also have 0 cap8s, my best is a cap6. It is reps/RPs that make my chars valuable to me.

To play devil's advocate for a moment if I may:

In that case, would you be in support of a cash wipe + revert characters to starfliers with repsheets unchanged? After all, a cash wipe is all but meaningless if I can stack CAU8s on my ranseur and then sell them back after the fact.

I guess my point is, there's little meaning to a cash wipe without a corresponding character purge.

[glassofwater]

Personally, I think our player base is declining because there are very few people who actually put effort forth to RP. Too many pirates, not enough police. Stuff like that. We need more balance. That's just my two cents.

[ryoken]

Going to starfliers would be pointless. It would still ruin alot of RP. For example why would say "admiral Hale" be in a starflier, and not atleast a military fighter?
Also it would be hours upon endless hours to start up 20-30-40 chars in starflees. So again time i do not have to waste recovering my chars. So i would say screw it and leave.
Took me 6+ years to get what i have, and that was when i had alot more time due to being younger, and not working. Older now, and working, so all wiping out ships would do is give all the younger kids, and lolwuts with more time then brains a chance to get ahead of vets, and basically run amoke all over the server.
A cash wipe is fine, it gets rid of billions, but atleast players keep thier chars/ships. As for people storing cap8s like you say? Why would staff need to tell people ahead of time this was coming if they decided to do it.
Either way this would not help with server population, it would actually hinder it. Many would leave if they lost cash, and a huge amount would leave if they all started from flees.
1 example of this. World of Tanks. I was in closed, and open Beta. We had 50K average players in Beta, then everything wiped when it opened, and now we average 30-40k at busiest hour.

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