@Quiron- No, but as the official faction, Phoenix was in a position to make a decision to allow an indie group of Zoners to build a PoB in their Guard system AT the jumphole.
I would certainly hold BAF responsible of they allowed an indie BAF group to build a hostile base at the jump hole in Salisbury.
This is why LN and BAF have application processes for PoBs, otherwise they attack them fervently to prevent this kind of abuse. It amazes me that they managed to let the Mollys get away with building Coin, but I'm not gonna blame the Mollys for that. Kudos to them.
(06-26-2013, 05:46 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: ZA being able to lock down the system is as much fault of Phoenix and everyone else who let them build such a dangerous base at such a crucial choke point. ZA cannot be blamed solely for that. Mollys did the same to O-49 in Dublin, but I don't hear all the Zoner rage about that.
Your argument sounds like "The victim is also at fault for standing in front of the way of the bullet the murderer shot from it's pistol.".
Mollies built one base, ZA built four. It's not Zoners who rage about it, but I heard at some places where people blamed Goldern Coin. Sure, Phoenix is at fault also for letting them build the base, but what should they have done? Watch over the system 24/7? They can't be everywhere at every time, it is just god damn easy to pull up a station to Core4 in no time if you got enough folks and proper organization for that. Do it four times and you own a system.
(06-26-2013, 05:46 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: If the problem is truly PoBs/caps/whatever thing you think is hurting gameplay, then leave the complaints where they should be. This is about ZA, and nothing I've seen shows me that they've done anything worthy of their treatment they've been getting OORP. InRP, I think everybody is getting what they deserve.
I blame PoBs where that subject belongs to and I blame the ones exploiting them where THAT subject belongs to. I blame ZA here for exploiting game mechanics to create an otherwise unlikely situation. If that and their numerous attempts at powergamind and metagaming, and then blaming their opponents for the same, thus being hypocritical - while the fact that they have been here for quite a while nullifies the argument that they are new guys and they indeed should know what they did was ooRP - is not enough for you to show you in what they were wrong, then i really can't help you.
(06-26-2013, 05:46 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: And no, bad RP doesn't justify trolling. For someone who claims they value RP so much, I think you should hold yourself to a higher standard, yes? Control what you CAN control.
I recall no instance in which I trolled any ZA, so I'm not sure why you direct these comments towards me.
(06-26-2013, 06:07 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: @Quiron- No, but as the official faction, Phoenix was in a position to make a decision to allow an indie group of Zoners to build a PoB in their Guard system AT the jumphole.
Yup, try to deny a station already built. Or do you really think they will ask you first? Even the houses has to deal with unregistered bases, not even asking for permission, though houses at least have regulations.
(06-26-2013, 06:07 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: I would certainly hold BAF responsible of they allowed an indie BAF group to build a hostile base at the jump hole in Salisbury.
Holding officials for something they cannot control? Quite logical, yes.
(06-26-2013, 06:07 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: This is why LN and BAF have application processes for PoBs, otherwise they attack them fervently to prevent this kind of abuse. It amazes me that they managed to let the Mollys get away with building Coin, but I'm not gonna blame the Mollys for that. Kudos to them.
Guess what, Goldern Coin is a Molly base, asking for permission from BAF would have been pointless, the answer would have been an obvious no. Thus they built it silently, and you know, once it's Core4, it stays. There is nobody to blame for that.
(06-26-2013, 06:07 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: @Quiron- No, but as the official faction, Phoenix was in a position to make a decision to allow an indie group of Zoners to build a PoB in their Guard system AT the jumphole.
I would certainly hold BAF responsible of they allowed an indie BAF group to build a hostile base at the jump hole in Salisbury.
This is why LN and BAF have application processes for PoBs, otherwise they attack them fervently to prevent this kind of abuse. It amazes me that they managed to let the Mollys get away with building Coin, but I'm not gonna blame the Mollys for that. Kudos to them.
I understand your point, but we couldn't do anything about it. It's quite not the same as a military organization, where you can role-play secondary-primary fleets or the law enforcement. Zoners are not organized, they don't have such bodies to control those who declare themselves as Zoners, every station has their own people, own goals. InRP it wouldn't make sense to forbid them to place bases near the jump holes in 74. Also, to be honest they wouldn't even listen if we asked for it.
This thread needs to have all the replies deleted. Why do i get the feeling it's just turned into a massive pile of hate between people who don't have a vast amount to do with anything to do with ZA contact, friendly or hostile, and is starting to be based upon distant com channel observations people shouldn't be that attentive to (sorry if I'm wrong or that offends anyone)?
Can we just have a war without it being Oorp, or most of Sirius blockading their way in because "it's mostly in the com channel" or "this is indicative of how low Disco has fallen" or other assorted dross?
Can we just do this without the inter-faction mud throwery?
Apologies that this is not directly related to feedback.
(06-26-2013, 10:49 AM)Jinx Wrote: there is also room in the tau region - i guess.. i have no idea who RPs governing fp10 - but whoever it is - there is not much visible RP about it.
And I could also pinpoint you the individual CW RP as well.
Just thought of playing Good Guy Greg here and help you find the RPs concerning Freeport 10 and its leadership since it seems you somehow missed them entirely.
Still, I think that a bit of interest ( not in FP 10 but in coming up with "true" facts based on real information ) would have helped you not to miss them.
But, it doesn't matter, mistakes happen, at least we can assume these RPs are visible now, right?
(08-10-2015, 07:03 PM)Antonio- Wrote: King Eduard is the greatest
(06-26-2013, 02:48 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Yes, you have tried to assist them, but in a useless way, and judging the time it took you guys to join in this fight, it was pointless right from the start. You should have supported them, not to tell them to stop, while the AIS started this war, I call it "hyporctics" and I say so only inRP ( no means to offend ) - you were quick to blame them but not the AIS, I wonder why.
We didn't join the fight, ZA declared war on us, remember? You (or your brother) dragged us into this mess. Even that time, we only acted in self-defense and tried to stall the time to not attack you.
And after all of this, you expect us to help when the next conflict arises? Why? I'm asking this for the second time. Give me a point why should Phoenix choose the troublemaker group instead the AIs for example who proved themselves reasonable party? Because you are Zoners? Fancy capital ships and ID don't make you one inRP in my eyes.
Yet you dont hate the religious nutjobs at baffin ( j/k ) who act differently. Whats so unique about ZA? They are standing up for themselves, like true zoners do. And last time I checked, your going to support the "wrong" faction here, they (AI) themselves have come clean that they started this mess and for reasons that I can never fathom it's ZA'S blame.. AGAIN? As soon as you start anwsering my questions, I'll anwser yours. Im sure di'atra would tell you who started this, and I allowed it to continue because at first it was a good rp, mostly none-violent, then the pinheads started to show interests and picked a group that had a bad history, so might as well kill them isn't that right?.
You know, I was thinking that maybe in the real life you'll have some deceny and honesty but apperently not, so you may continue living in that illusion, and you may continue blasting their bases, they are not going anywhere, payback is a .. ain't that right?.
(06-26-2013, 07:04 PM)Omicron Wrote: Tel, you missed point again.
Why Phoenix would want to help ZA after said faction declared war on them?
Im sure they have their reasons, infact from what I could gathered before they even started this mess, the phoenix ( like true zoners ) were not in favor of them anyway, not to mention the fact that they allowed docking permits inrp to the ones who attack them, I'd say thats not a good way of saying " its ok we don't mind". And your faction itself.. seriously bud, I told you many times that your involvement will only make it worse, infact you should have forced the metal-heads to quit their crusade as you did once, but you choosed not too. Maybe at first it was a good decision, but here we are seven days since then, still debating on whos to blame. You could have found plenty of rp ideas to be in favor of the ZA, but you didnt.
(06-26-2013, 07:04 PM)Omicron Wrote: Tel, you missed point again.
Why Phoenix would want to help ZA after said faction declared war on them?
Good point, you can't argue that one.
No arguement, its crystal clear that they didnt support the ZA and in term supported the other party, and guess what, its all over the screen, in their own words. Obviously the ZA's diplo could have been better, but unlike the old "diplo-hardcore" zoners, I don't debate or discuss with people that have attacked me, in-directly or directly alike, If you could address their "behaviour" to other zoner factions and expect them to follow the evidence, and not popularity, they wouldn't declare war on them instead they would have turned the others against them. But its a longshot and it can't be done, because disco is about popularity not justice.