yes - things change - not always for the better. - and sometimes remaining in "the cave" is better. - the order has made some serious mistakes in the past - misinterpreting their lore ( like trying to ally with the navy and shooting their own indies - but also before your time )
but whats your take on artifacts, omicron - are they really so harmless so that you allow hundreds of thousands to be shipped to the coreworlds into unknown hands? - what about alien organisms - which are also shipped around without sanction.
you have never attempted to ban those - if not - why? the entire order was formed based on the finding of artifacts that were considered to be dangerous
You could say that we do not have capability to tackle this problem effectively yet, Sirius-wide. We will still capture/steal as many artifacts we can if given a chance and we do consider it a contraband. At current we harass Outcasts and their cardamine business which is more directly connected to the Nomads.
99% of artifacts are trinkets or alien junk that is beyond Order interests. However we wont miss occasion to see if there is something actually valuable among it - active artifacts.
EDIT: Alien organisms are not Nomads. Just random bacterias that are well understood by Sirius civilization.
A blockade on Alien Organisms would be like a blockade on penicillin. Much more harm than good. I think Cryer uses them for pharmaceutical purposes, for example.
Actually I do make a laugh out of the order while carrying artis, infact i do weekly smuggs through alaska hoping to get some interaction and some "drop da stuff" ~ and I had plenty of that - but one would think im doing this on purpose - not at all, Im confused here, dead-uncontaminated remains are more important than artifacts and alien organisms which do provide WAY more insight on the nomads? Btw - If the CR| farmed iota and you then track em through the sys chat - that doesn't count to anyone but yourself - ain't no "we have satelites/secret agents in there" who spotted you, because you can't back that invention. More over, I told you many times that raising your factions activity on fighting the ones who supply your faction - who without you are as dead as my gaian circle - is not only false but completely ooc for what your orginization is supposed to do. Rather then camping 74 - you can camp iota/99 and be sure to get plenty of nomads coming your way - that's how it works, same as if people spot a bunch of you they all join in just to get blue messages - which is at bottom what each and every one of you is looking for.
Due to the events in disco, your faction can't even afford a "war" - The nomads, The core ( who is silent for some reason - perhaps Agment can bring his BHG| ones to the omicrons because I hardly believe CORE- is really that active, but I might be mistaken ) - Also, One point to address :
I hardly believe ZA is more of a threat to you then the AI ( though inrl they are a happier bunch ) - inrp they are the ones who cannot be trusted, and I do hope they get some official status - just to see you pin under their reign in kappa - or maybe not? - perhaps same silly war as with the ZA? ) - Also, to the AI's - Ive already placed my feedback and I do congratulate you, but expressing human emotions while you are a machine is not being a machine, cloaking "vengenace" as "reason,common sense when you only lost one ship - just to start a full scale war is invalid ( and btw, whatever happend to our agreement, remember? Neutrality ? Oh right that was still standing until he came along.. ).
Tel, why do you keep on trying to say all of it was the AI's fault? Remember that the only reason we joined the conflict was because you (both stations and ships) attacked our trading ships... *facepalm*
(08-25-2013, 05:39 PM)UK1 Wrote: In my opinion re-uniting our zoner brothers should be of the most important of tasks.
And what would be the point of it? What would be the reason for such distant groups of people to unite? What would be the common agenda, under which they may operate?
Freedom.
Not having people like Golalanski that wants to make them their b!tches.
Did you ever see a ZA trying to boss people around or locking down anything before they were attacked by the Order&co? Nope.
Were they even building those bases by the jumpholes before there were indy nomads in o74 and theta? Nope.
(08-26-2013, 05:22 AM)Zelot Wrote: Seems like another case of the big boys trying to bully the little ones here. Mind you I have not been following closely, but I have seen these things far to many times not to recognize them. The Order faction has all the zoners bending over and taking it hard, and then one stands up and says no. Now we have everything from inrp attempts to oorp attempts to I don't know what kind of attempts to force them to back down. We have people coming on here telling them how they should rp zoners, interestingly most of those are the way that would be best for the interests of the people making the suggestions.
When the hell did the order become the massive military force we see here? Didnt they just get routed by the nomads and have their home system and most of their fleet like, supernovaed? When did the Order gain legal control over Zoner territory? Why should it be the ZA that back down to the Order? Everyone is like they are allies right? Yea, but what about that means the ZA must back down? Why are the Order allowed to be uncompromising in their principles but not the ZA?
ZA, stand strong, fight it out, win or lose it will be more fun for you that way.
You know Zelot that's why I like you. Even if you're a buffoon most of the time. Sometimes you manage to hit the nail on the head and make a proper judgment.
(08-26-2013, 06:22 AM)Crackpunch Wrote: Order caught ZA with nomads.
Order said hand em over.
ZA said no.
Order got annoyed.
ZA locked down 74 with bases and fleet of Juggernauts.
Order blasts Juggernauts.
ZA leader doesn't seem to understand either faction and so is incapable of attending this "end war talk".
That's missing a lot of stuff. Let me give a more complete picture:
Everyone, including ZA, is able to farm nomad NPCs without any problems in Iota and o99, because nomads are restricted and the existing ones RP as a ***Inquisitive what is money?*** mentally challenged alien with a 100 story blue shiny ass at Califonia gate in NY instead of spending time in the omicrons.
Nobody in the Order cares about NPC farming. The only activity of Order is sitting around in o100 to keep faction status and RPing romantic relationships with Golanski and relatives in Baffin and Tau37.
Admins realize how stupid this actually is and grant indy nomads fighters and bombers.
A lot of people start making nomad fighters and bombers. Most of the fighting takes place in Theta and on the way there in O74, because Theta is where the nomads have it easiest to find other players, because its smaller with a known activity hub, while Zeta is a huge wasteland of nothingness and Delta is as dead as the Order and the Core.
ZA builds bases to protect o74 and Theta. Because they are higher in numbers, organize, and have no problems to send 4 caps into Iota, ZA are still able to farm NPCs. The indy nomads are not able to stop them because they have no caps and most are not very good bomber pilots, and partly because they're huge pussies who only fight when they know they will win. It becomes harder for nomads to find targets because they cant access Theta and O74 anymore.
Some nomads get pissed off because they cant access o74 and theta anymore, they cant beat the ZA because they have no caps of their own, and trying to find order targets in zeta or delta is boring as hell.
Golanski gets pissed off because people consider his faction weak and boring as hell.
Indy nomad activity goes down again, leaving the ZA and others able to farm NPCs again, with defensive bases that are only needed in case nomads try to invade theta and o74 again.
Order caught ZA with nomads.
Order decides they care a lot about nomad remains possessed by zoners now.
Order said hand em over.
ZA said no why should we, we never saw you care before or when other people did it.
Order gets other zoners to side with Order against ZA and start shooting them, and start a forum campaign based on the words "were at war no RP anymore" uttered by a ZA guy who felt he was being bullied, oorp attacked, and then being yelled at for not RPing.
ZA uses existing defensive bases and juggies they used to kill nomad NPcs to defend themselves, locking down 74.
Order&co realize they cant beat up ZA.
POB bases get de-activated "because of issues"
Order and other zoners have a "victory celebration" in o74 shortly after POB get de-activated, with fireworks and champagne
People ask for zoner caps to be removed, bashing ZA some more. Same old I-wanna-be-the-big-guy like Agmen and Saronsen jump up and down beating their chests.
This thread is made, telling ZA not to play the blame game, explaining how everything is ZA's fault.
When ZA explain their actions the OP says "I told you not to play blame game". ZA offers to de-activate their platforms but not todestroy their bases because that would mean wasting hundreds of hours of work, and the people who tried to bully them away would just steamroll them afterwards.
Golanski explains how he is not only Order leader but also boss of all Zoners, how the Order who just got wtfpwned by nomads is stronger than everyone, how it's the Order's RP to shoot zoners if they dont obey him, how its zoner RP to want to be his b!tches, and how ZA must submit to him completely.
Some Zoner sheep go "baaaahhh". Gollanski and Crackpunch go "RRRRRAAAAAHHHH"
A few people who stayed more or less silent before say "enough already of this same old bullying crap all over again"
Despite in all these mayhem. I will give you 2 clear actual event examples which both factions were unfriendly to the order at one point. However, one took a left turn while the other took the right turn.
AI Story -
Went into Order Backdoor O-100 chasing after nomad, caught by order agents and fighting ensured. Order got pretty pissed and sanctioned AI heavily, which stated their ship will be hunted if they entered Delta and any system furthered. They were also restricted to base upgrade no higher than core 1. AI LISTENED and STUCK to those guidelines, and now most of the restriction against the AI is lifted including the base.
ZA Story
On the other hand, ZA went into O-99 hunting nomads, got caught by Order red handed, and they only demanded the return of remains. ZA REFUSED and now this ****-storm ensured. Now I still dont get why they complain that the AI should be shot instead or are they more of a threat than the ZA to the order.
For those who have not caught up with the news, is this plain bullying or actions and consequences to you ?
You forgot the parts where the ZA started shooting at everything, including other indie zoners, indie order, indie everything else, and other unaffiliated factions by default under the guise of "No more RP, we're at war"
You also forgot the parts where the ZA continued to dock their 5k's in Rheinland house space, and when they were told to stop, they started docking random unsensible alts with less than even the bare minimum of plausible RP to have large transports completely unaffiliated with the zoners, and even less than a tangential relationship with the ZA to dock in house space for materials.
You forgot the parts where the ZA started making order characters to shoot at other order ships.
You forgot about the part where they crapped over house diplomacy after shooting at house ships, pissing off both the Rheinland and Liberty intelligence factions.
You can paint any picture you want of anything if you skip over the inconvenient bits, but they're still there, and the verdict is quite clear.
Oh, and let's not forget the ZA leadership throwing a hissyfit and filing reports and shooting off nasty PM's whenever someone makes an RP post that inconveniences the ZA.
This is just how the ZA operates, and that's ignoring stuff like somehow pulling out more marines than all of the Zoners have in population and landing them on Livadia to "take" it over.
Whatever the other side did, at least it was done properly. There's no limit to what the ZA can do with the blessing of the community if it also does things properly.