"Cut your engines or I'll open fire!"

[Coin]

No, that's a demand for cargo.

However, "Cut your engines or I'll open fire" is just "halt" surrounded with a bit more RP and an unhealthy alternative for the trader.

Yeah but "Cut your engines or I'll open fire" is a demand as well as a clearcut outcome if the demand isn't met.

So where is the line drawn?

"Halt" is bad. "Cut your engines, or I'll open fire!" is not, then. What about "Halt, or I'll shoot!" or "Stop in the name of the law!"? Or even just "Cut your engines now"?

one word is bad?

what about 't# Halt' ? That would seem to do it.

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[Durandal]

Enough. Keep it on topic.

[Curios]

... so as I was saying - stop using rules to rule lawer around the obvious fact -> you got caught by pirates so do what they say or they gonna have you arse handed to you

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[Mephistoles]

... so as I was saying - stop using rules to rule lawer around the obvious fact -> you got caught by pirates so do what they say or they gonna have you arse handed to you

I can't believe anything other than this has been said. What's a pirate supposed to do, watch you fly off while he types up his life story?

Discovery to common sense. Common sense, please come in.

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[nOmnomnOm]

The problem is that there are traders that:

A) Cant use a keyboard to save their lives/ cant speak English.
Therefore they are silent traders

B) Don't want to talk back.

C) Are very stubborn.

With these reasons we find that we have traders that really either QQ after dieing from a pirate or don't wana listen to a word the pirate says and then are confused why they died.
In the case of A) then your fault. In the case of B) Your fault. In the case of C) OH your fault, idiot.

Unless a trader thinks he has a chance he could win the scenario then fine. But don't expect being able to run from a damn bomber or worse and living to tell the tale.

There was this one time where i found me a miner that was AFKing in a mining field. I did the usual. I said hello, stay in place, and demanded and blah blah.
I waited 5 minutes and nothing.
Now there are some traders in my experience that fake being AFK to call for help. I was really being very generous.
So i decided to take out his guns. Once I was at the last gun he started shooting back with only one gun, started raging at me as if it was my fault that he was AFKing out in the open in space, and then started to run after i asked ever more times for my demands.
I let him run all the way to a base and dock, forcing him to re-buy all the guns he lost.

SO you can see. There are traders/miners/people that really cant think and then QQ and then cant think more.
Start thinking and you wont have problems with pirates.

The whole point is to make it clear to the guy that if they don't comply then you WILL kill them. Whether its their fault after is non of your concern.

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[Druen78]

There are also players who don't really need the pirating money, and play pirates only for the dubious joy of blowing other players up.

[kikatsu]

Hmm, I kind of assumed that the whole, saying halt is not a demand thing just meant you could not have your demand being that the trade ship has to stop for you, regardless of how you word it. I like your interpretations here more needless to say.

[nOmnomnOm]

There are also players who don't really need the pirating money, and play pirates only for the dubious joy of blowing other players up.

If they stop a trader and just shoot them without a demand then that is not fair. If you play as a pirate then act as one. If you want to be a terrorist or a 'PEWPEW' guy then there are factions that would will get more shooting in.

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[Divine]

Said pirate points a gun at your face and tells you not to move any further (assuming here he stopped you at that point by CD).
He freaking tells you that for the obvious reason of this being an RP server so the both of you can execute the "pirating-scenario".
If you try to make a run for the next safe station, be ready to get shot down. It is very well within your RP as a trader to take the chance and try running, but then expect the pirates to react properly on such an action.
Same goes the other way when the lawful forces stop you.

And tbh, everyone stating that "Cut yoru engines now, don't move, or be shot" would not be a sufficient RP-demand to have your trader shot when you try escaping... is just looking for a way to either go on with silently powertrading bc they want to achieve that such a line is not accounted for as sufficient RP to begin with, or at the end of the day want the pirate that provided such an encounter to get sanctioned to have it off scope in the future so they can more easily keep silently powertrading.

Objections? No? Good. Yes? Your problem.

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[Thargoid]

Nice debate guys, really enjoyed reading it.

I only asked this because I engaged a trader after saying something like that and he told me over private channel ooRP that I need to make a demand first.

Unless the pirate is a lolwut, this is actually more beneficial for the trader in most circumstances, if I have to make a default demand because I didn't have enough time to check his cargo then it's always going to be unreasonable, like 10 million, if he's carrying Boron or something cheap, then it's bad for him.