(03-30-2014, 03:37 PM)Teerin Wrote: Its premise will be the Corse needing a proper VHF of its own to combat the Outcasts' new Rapier and to further prepare against possible hostilities with the Gallic Junkers. UC will of course then sell the blueprints to the Brigands so that they will have their version of it
This will provide something for us to put on the infocard other than "poof, we now have a new fighter". Also, if this ship is created first by the Unione Corse, it would be interesting if it didn't have Noir at the end and instead the Brigands had Brun (or whatever tan/brown translates into best). Comments on this, too, are welcome
I always imagined Brigands being the more wealthy through piracy and black market production while Corse being the little bit less wealthy through connections, black market distribution and smaller jobs done for both lawfuls and unlawfuls, means what Brigands produce is being sold to major parties of the Black Market, including UC, who then distribute stuff further. Into that image it would fit more if Brigands would produce the vessel and UC would provide their own variant of it rather vice versa. You could pull the Lynx as a reason and that Council made their own VHF to counter them. My two cents.
And Cataphracte sounds cool. Also, what is the purpose of those two spikes pointing forward between the main engines and the main part of the ship's body?
I wouldn't go with Cataphract because it's not really a french cavalry unit, unlike Cuirassier which is one.
Alize rolls nice on the tongue, and, as you've mentioned, is actually a French aircraft. I think it really does fit with the fact that UC ships looks like WWII airplanes.
(03-30-2014, 07:50 PM)Luis Wrote: The heavy fighter has those 'spike' antenna like. Not my idea - going to leave it as is. I am just improvising the HF to a VHF.
Oh, my bad, I never ever spotted those on the HF until now.
Alize is too smooth for my taste to give as a name to a VHF.
I always imagined Brigands being the more wealthy through piracy and black market production while Corse being the little bit less wealthy through connections, black market distribution and smaller jobs done for both lawfuls and unlawfuls, means what Brigands produce is being sold to major parties of the Black Market, including UC, who then distribute stuff further. Into that image it would fit more if Brigands would produce the vessel and UC would provide their own variant of it rather vice versa. You could pull the Lynx as a reason and that Council made their own VHF to counter them. My two cents.
You have it a bit backwards there, Thyr'zul. Corse are the main produces of Nox (Monaco) and Hypnotainment Bands (Epernon) while the Maquis (I think) make/steal nuclear devices. The Corse don't distribute those so much since it would be bad for them to get caught, whereas the Brigands traffic those as much as they'd like, for they haven't a legal status to lose.
Slaves and Black Market Munitions are easy for anyone to produce, too. The only thing the Brigands would be into that the Corse aren't is human organ harvesting. Other illegal commodities such as Synth Weed, Cardamine, Stabiline, Artifacts, etc. are external to Gallia.
As for wealth, the Brigands do indeed make a fair amount of money through pirating and producing distributing, but both those come at a high risk. I won't even mention how much more decentralized the Brigands can be. The Corse, on the other hand, distribute produce a large number of black market commodities for distribution (only some of which they actually distibute themselves), do plenty of gambling/racketeering, work as escorts or hunters for their corporate sponsors, and they even do plenty of ordinary legal trade.
And either way, engineering design and production of a new fighter design doesn't really require that much additional wealth when both groups are already producing a fair amount of ships and weapons of their own. Also, this way, it grants an active faction the ability to do some of their own roleplay.
(03-30-2014, 07:52 PM)Pancakes Wrote: I wouldn't go with Cataphract because it's not really a french cavalry unit, unlike Cuirassier which is one.
Alize rolls nice on the tongue, and, as you've mentioned, is actually a French aircraft. I think it really does fit with the fact that UC ships looks like WWII airplanes.
That's a fair point, the Cataphract isn't really French at all. Alize might sound a bit smooth, but yeah, fits really well.
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Okay, had a lengthy debate over skype with you about the ship manufacturing capabilities of the Corse, gonna post the results only.
My point of view:
Based on the infocards of the current Noir ships we can tell that all of them are advanced versions of their Brigand counterparts, painted black. Given that they are based on the Brigand versions I assume that the Corse doesn't have too much capability to alter them other than customization and enhancement, all three ships are of the same tier as the original Brigand vessels. This would mean that the Corse is either incapable to fully develop their own, totally unique ships, or find it financially more favorable (possibly more cost-effective) to alternate existing spacecraft to fit their own needs. By this logic the Brigands would have to develop the VHF first and then the Corse their Noir version of it.
Teerin's point of view: (or at least what I got from it, correct me in case I'm wrong)
Corse has been the other major party being actively present, besides the Brigands, thus being wealthy and organized enough to be able to be more independent at spacecraft construction. This would not only include alternating other lines to fit their own needs, but also development of own fighters, even of higher tiers. This would allow the Corse to change the old trend and, for the first time, develop their own VHF. By this logic the Corse could develop the VHF first and then the Brigands their Brun version of it.
After debating for over an hour, we finished without an agreement.
I believe the UC simply takes Brigand models and enhances them for a simple reason - they're good to go. Why invest in developing a whole new ship, when you can take blueprints of existing one and make it better? Or perhaps to suit it better for your needs? You have to remember that the development of a ship costs a HUGE amount of money, it's not just "lel I made mesh" inRP.
(For example, Corse ships might be a bit more sleek and fast while delivering less of a punch, while Brigands' on the contrary, given their need to use the ships for piracy).
The question isn't whether or not the UC is capable of developing and incorporating a new ship of their own. They are fully capable. The question is rather - do they want to do it? I believe the Brigands have a greater need for it, seeing that the Sirian market in which they meddle in, is full with such ships. So, why should the UC bother to develop a new one? They can just rip it off the Brigands.
@Luis I like this new model. It's good, and in my opinion looks better than the older version (not that it looked bad, this one just looks better)