Making the wrong impression on new players

[Murcielago]

Please do not give credits to help people, help them with some good advices.

I wanted to make a thread in flood with something along the lines of "Remember when you were new?" but this is sort of sad.

Come on, brainstorm time. Best way to tell new players that caps are not the ''best ship'' or ''goal'' for Disco.

Go.

You forgot something here, not every person is same and not all persons like same things.

"caps are not the ''best ship'' or ''goal'' for Disco."

Heh you are wrong here.
What I like here is that we have lot of different ships where everyone can finde somethng for himself.

Best ship is ship with which you have fun.
So if someone like to play with caps let him have his fun.
Who are you or who am I to tell that person that he/she can't have fun?
Aren't we playing this game to have fun?

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Lords will rule their land as they see fit, and the serfs shall merely beg.

[Murcielago]

If a newbie likes to buy himself a battleship, let him. Exactly.
He'll soon enough find out that it's not the best ship and be sorry about the waste.

You see this is because of bad balance.

Myself, I never bothered buying anything larger than gunboats for years, no matter the several billions I had. And I was a noob once, too. So where is the problem?

Because not everyone is so smart as you are?

A restriction on caps won't work.
Indeed, that would be very stupid thing.
But let me ask you this, are you complaining here because new players can buy caps??
Making them more expensive could be a thing, but then people would just trade longer to obtain them.
Hmm they are allready to expencive. Do to bad balance. BS should be ultimative ship to buy and very hard to kill, but ofcourse that is my personal opinion.

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Lords will rule their land as they see fit, and the serfs shall merely beg.

[StarLiner]

We have tool for this, it is called factions. If you join, you can fight alongside the veterans and learn from them. Sometimes they also make trainings. Simple as that.

Exactly my point.

The attitude displayed in your sig also very well illustrates my point.

p.s: The point was that by the time it takes to buy a battleship, people are much more likely to have been told to **** off and leave the server by members of an official faction instead of having been invited to join an official faction.

A long time ago, I tried to join an official faction. BAF.

They messaged me back a long list of lore related questions that I had to nail before I would be allowed entry. Many of them required a great deal of forum surfing to find.

I decided to just continue to Freelance

[Highland Laddie]

We have tool for this, it is called factions. If you join, you can fight alongside the veterans and learn from them. Sometimes they also make trainings. Simple as that.

Exactly my point.

The attitude displayed in your sig also very well illustrates my point.

p.s: The point was that by the time it takes to buy a battleship, people are much more likely to have been told to **** off and leave the server by members of an official faction instead of having been invited to join an official faction.

A long time ago, I tried to join an official faction. BAF.

They messaged me back a long list of lore related questions that I had to nail before I would be allowed entry. Many of them required a great deal of forum surfing to find.

I decided to just continue to Freelance

I went through the exact same process, except that I actually took the time to read the forums and wiki and actually invest myself in the lore of the faction I wanted to join in order to help my immersion and overall RP experience.

Sounds to me like you were just lazy. Why would an official faction want a player who isn't willing to commit some time/effort?

[Ayatolah]

Sometimes i wonder why there's so much willingness for buying the most limited gameplay ship, yes i know they look cool and everyone (or almost)) loves to have a big ship with big guns.... i also had a RNC and Hessian cruisers...both cool(and both sold due to boredom) but a cap ship gameplay is limited in the best case not to mention that they tend to be bound to ZOI.... want a big ship with big guns that also serves more purposes like trading, pirating,etc? Go for a big transport or even a pilgrim.... go and enjoy.the wide possibilities of making cash or just raw fun.... and when you have so much cash to spare you can think of makin caps.... but when you're used to make a lot of things with the same ship you'll find that caps ain't that fun that you thought....

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[Sonoshee]

Official factions and factions in general are not looking for new players to join in in order to train them or either are not doing so actively - only by some 'come if you want' recruitment threads where a new player can also get a "NO" because of his newbiness. Factions wants to have the best assets for free and do nothing to grow them - that, in fact, was a problem for faction stagnation, one of few in fact, when the amount of competent players has stopped to grow and factions were just trying to employ same people again and again - this ended up with factions being made out of same faces and indies being not educated and left to soar the starts alone. Now people complain that, turns out, new players didn't learned the basics the way certain people think they should have been learning. Well, look - if you want to shape something in form that you want it to be shaped then take it and do the job or do not complain.

New player have a very serious suspicion that BS is the better ship simply because they usually suck in fighters and relying on armor looks like a good idea - which is logical. If you die on BS you can always say that it's either enemy had a better BS then you did or you've been ganked so one can self assure that the problem is not his lack of skill but some random circumstances which didn't allowed him to win the encounter while of fighter the lack of skills is seen more clear.

In the end it's problem of the faction leaderships and I send the blaim into their general direction. (Since it's them usually complaining about noobs while doing exactly nothing to fix that). A tad desire to employ veteran players into your factions exclusively has done server a bad deal of work.

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[Singularity]

A long time ago, I tried to join an official faction. BAF.

They messaged me back a long list of lore related questions that I had to nail before I would be allowed entry. Many of them required a great deal of forum surfing to find.

I decided to just continue to Freelance

Most of us have faced this when we started here. But unlike you, we took the time to actually search, interact and find the answers. And that does help, when you atlast be a part of the faction. Joining the faction with a hope that they will run after you is pointless. It should be you, who should be showing interest.

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[Sonoshee]

As I said - factions do not look for players, they do look for veteran players who would instantly know everything and be good members w\o any investments from the faction side. Factions need to invest into it's members as well as members invest into faction they are part of - it's logical. However it's different. I guess the problem is going straight from the "fat" years where there was a lot of players and not many factions - factions were not able to take everyone willing so they began to roll various limitations out. Or maybe they are just lazy assess who wants to rule the faction while doing nothing rendering own activity to skype chatting... well, I can't say it's correct vector of actions.

Back when I was joining there was a lot of players. And of cause as a new blood here I was looking to buy myself a battleship at first. But I was taken into the official faction, recruited right in space, and it was a turnout for me - while I was trying to gather cash for my shiny cap I learned from my faction experience that cap is not always an answer - moreover - it's usually just a useless chunk of crap. It's better to feel it on own skin you know. Like when your faction run 3 bombers and you ask in emergency for cover. And, of cause, battleship arrives to cover the bombers from a couple of fighters. Or some similar case - there is a room for imagination. So in the end, when I actually bought my first cap, I was already aware of it's limited usability and didn't used it much.

So my answer would be to change the factions and their attitude towards players on the server. You can't be just a taker - one need to be a giver too since it's of a mutual benefit for all sides.

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[pillow]

I had one guy PM me about giving him money because he's a new player as well, while I was on my junker two days ago.

A friend of mine once saw a damned Liberty Carrier with CAU VIII, and the Carrier didn't even know how to cruise...there needs to be a commodity every new character gets that says that big ships are not always the best ships.

[Core_One]

I don't have more than 20M in total )) Keeps me in safe... But if they need help, I'm glad to give them few advices.

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