Quote:Now we can either continue arguing further about meanings of words, or pay attention that we write down what we mean to communicate, and make sure the other one interprets it the way they meant to before blaming misinterpretation on them.
Or you can just stop nibbling about the things that don't even matter.
Quote:And fund the maintenance of the Victory Rush from income flowing in from these activities, right?
As XA-, we're used to having the biggest and baddest ships come find us at every opportunity because they take it literally that we're a top priority, even though we're barely able to use GB's as part of our ship compatibility but have to use fighters otherwise. These are mostly indies however that aren't really taken too seriously as a lot of them choose not to listen to their faction counterparts.
Yet, despite us being somewhat Liberty's worst, you still seem to think it was okay to pile on us with very little RP at all which to be honest, was plain poor show. On top of the fact that you've already been slated for amateur mistakes, it doesn't seem like you're willing to even try to meet the standards that's expected of factions that take themselves seriously. Looking at your write-up, it seems you're under that category. Plus, you're Vigilantes, not a military.
So, while I said some time back that I thought the Vigilante idea was interesting, and while I still think that, in regard to things I've seen over the past week, I have a complaint or two.
While I know you said you were using the LPI ID because it allows more, I'm a little bit disappointed with what I've seen, for the most part you appear to actually be conducting yourselves as an official law enforcement entity within Liberty (a la the Navy or LSF or actual LPI).
If you're going to be Vigilantes, actually act like Vigilantes, a loose band of civilians united together to take down unlawfuls, don't conduct yourselves as a paramilitary force that cooperates thoroughly with lawful authorities. You guys aren't the LPI, yet you use the LPI ID and expect to be treated like the LPI, and to me at least, that takes away from the potential your organization has to actually create some unique and interesting RP regarding your relationship with the "government" in Liberty.
And, whether the above is your intention or not, your use of the LPI ID, and the way you behave with it, leads others to treat you and regard you as an "LPI faction", and not a band of vigilantes as you claim to be.
Maybe this post is pretty negative, and I really hate being negative, but if you want to portray and be perceived as actual house law enforcement entities, you should probably go do so in a House other than Liberty, our "lawful forces" are already strong and numerous enough already.
I have only skimmed through the text an never actually met you ingame - I guess because I am not really into Liberty. I however have one question: Why bunch of vigilantes "is" (SRP which you have not would be the only option for ya) using Liberty capital ships? Did I missed something extra-important?
Quote:As XA-, we're used to having the biggest and baddest ships come find us at every opportunity because they take it literally that we're a top priority, even though we're barely able to use GB's as part of our ship compatibility but have to use fighters otherwise. These are mostly indies however that aren't really taken too seriously as a lot of them choose not to listen to their faction counterparts.
Yet, despite us being somewhat Liberty's worst, you still seem to think it was okay to pile on us with very little RP at all which to be honest, was plain poor show. On top of the fact that you've already been slated for amateur mistakes, it doesn't seem like you're willing to even try to meet the standards that's expected of factions that take themselves seriously. Looking at your write-up, it seems you're under that category. Plus, you're Vigilantes, not a military.
I suppose you are talking about the situation that happened today (and I was indeed the one Vigilante that participated in a shootout). Most of the arguments are not directed at us personally (I suppose you should have that directed at the Navy that indeed had two carriers, a dread and a LABC against three-four snubs), so I will skip over them. As for the RP, there was not much to RP about. This was a massfight in which Liberty actually required some assistance with cleaning it up. Because while they had so many carriers, good luck killing snubs with bigass caps inside Pittsburgh debris field.
Quote:If you're going to be Vigilantes, actually act like Vigilantes, a loose band of civilians united together to take down unlawfuls, don't conduct yourselves as a paramilitary force that cooperates thoroughly with lawful authorities. You guys aren't the LPI, yet you use the LPI ID and expect to be treated like the LPI, and to me at least, that takes away from the potential your organization has to actually create some unique and interesting RP regarding your relationship with the "government" in Liberty.
While I personally would prefer to act as a bad guy and be able to shoot down a transport with full load of contraband without much talking, this is not really possible without getting admins up on my ass talking about pvp abuse and whatnot. We're just seriously limited by the server rules here and there's not much to say.
Also, what's so wrong with allying with lawfuls? We're only against the Police as far as I know and we're showing it at all times.
Quote:you should probably go do so in a House other than Liberty
There isn't nearly as much criminal activity anywhere else than Liberty.
(06-30-2014, 11:18 PM)Protégé Wrote: As for the RP, there was not much to RP about.
There's always a chance for RP. If you want to be a recognised faction on an RP server then that should be your primary goal. Even mercenary-based factions like the Reavers, were to prioritise interesting RP above everything. Instead, you were trigger-happy as all hell so you went straight for us with the canon RP one-liner. We'd have happily fought you if they weren't constantly getting in our face, let alone the Gunboat NPC patrols that were fixated on chasing us across the system.
(06-30-2014, 11:18 PM)Protégé Wrote: Liberty actually required some assistance with cleaning it up. Because while they had so many carriers, good luck killing snubs with bigass caps inside Pittsburgh debris field.
Are you serious right now!? They needed no such assistance. They even had a snub or two that was able to attack us and whenever they took damage, they ran back to them and let them try and Secondary us to hell again. Yes, we ran to the debris to try and pull them off us. However, you still made no such effort to try and talk to us before opening up and you made every effort to run back to the LAC's the second you started taking damage. Before you arrived, we were in the open and being filled with more holes than Swiss cheese.
As I said, as much as I realise this is the way Liberty seems to work, it doesn't undermine the fact that it's a pathetic attitude to have.
This is why there's nothing to shoot as lawfuls anymore. There's no motivation for even factions that know they will face awful odds from the get-go. I expected to be faced with caps but it agitated me to see you were incapable of either leaving us alone to be shot at as it was, or tell the caps to leave and come for us yourselves.
Quote:There's always a chance for RP. If you want to be a recognised faction on an RP server then that should be your primary goal. Even mercenary-based factions like the Reavers, were to prioritise interesting RP above everything. Instead, you were trigger-happy as all hell so you went straight for us with the canon RP one-liner. We'd have happily fought you if they weren't constantly getting in our face, let alone the Gunboat NPC patrols that were fixated on chasing us across the system.
Sometimes the correct RP is the lack of RP. Situation with that particular character was that she got a message about a Xenos appearing near Bush and just proceeded to clean it up. Because of the lack of any other activity in the system, it was justified to get into the fight. Besides, when you see a pirate that's shooting at the Navy, you don't bloody ask if they need help, you just kinda get in and don't ask questions.
Quote:Are you serious right now!? They needed no such assistance. They even had a snub or two that was able to attack us and whenever they took damage, they ran back to them and let them try and Secondary us to hell again.
One Navy Guardian I think, against three-four Prosecutors and Eagles if I recall correctly. Yeah, right. With Navy ships being incredibly underpowered, I wouldn't expect them to do anything to you.
Quote:However, you still made no such effort to try and talk to us before opening up and you made every effort to run back to the LAC's the second you started taking damage.
First there are complaints of not getting to the job energetically, and now you are complaining about not enough talking. This is completely unjustified, since you're bloody criminals in Liberty and you're shooting with the Navy. Two reasons just to open fire without anything else than shouting "Assisting Navy".
Also, the point about running to LACs is not really valid since when I got my shields dropped, I just ran anywhere waiting for them to recharge and dropping mines at you.
Quote:There's no motivation for even factions that know they will face awful odds from the get-go. I expected to be faced with caps but it agitated me to see you were incapable of either leaving us alone to be shot at as it was, or tell the caps to leave and come for us yourselves.
This is a complaint directed to the Navy, not to us. If you are looking for a place where you can pour out your soul and nibble about unfair fights, this is not the correct one I'm afraid. You want fair fights, go to conn.
Also the point about "unfair" and so on fights in Liberty is extremely and completely invalid since we still get sometimtes overrun by Rogue Dessies with some snub indy pirates or freelancers around them. You can easily join as the third side in such fights.
I would also encourage you to stop offloading your hopes and dreams on us, because we aren't the target of them and instead go somewhere else, like Navy threads or flood.
Quote:If you're going to be Vigilantes, actually act like Vigilantes, a loose band of civilians united together to take down unlawfuls, don't conduct yourselves as a paramilitary force that cooperates thoroughly with lawful authorities. You guys aren't the LPI, yet you use the LPI ID and expect to be treated like the LPI, and to me at least, that takes away from the potential your organization has to actually create some unique and interesting RP regarding your relationship with the "government" in Liberty.
We would love to, but this is impossible due to the server rules and later pirates complaining about the lack of rp reasons, abusing pvp and whatnot (see the posts above).
We assist every lawful force inside Liberty with the exception of the Police. We don't really see anything wrong about that particular thing since we have similar interests, especially because it should be left to us in the first place. Since you're the Navy, you shouldn't be chasing smugglers and pirates, because this is not your job. See the point?
Quote:I have only skimmed through the text an never actually met you ingame - I guess because I am not really into Liberty. I however have one question: Why bunch of vigilantes "is" (SRP which you have not would be the only option for ya) using Liberty capital ships? Did I missed something extra-important?
It was explained before, you can look through the thread and find this information.
Quote:I would also encourage you to stop offloading your hopes and dreams on us, because we aren't the target of them and instead go somewhere else, like Navy threads or flood.
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