For all of those who are worried now and ask about where these lines exactly are:
Don't be worried.
95 % of the players here are not targetted by the announcement.
And I am pretty sure that everybody who is targetted by it knows intutively that he is in the sights now.
P.S: Plis no invisibul this time! No bad words in it!
If only this change of pace had come to pass a year or so ago. A lot of trolls and a**hats would have calmed down (including me) and less rage would have happened by everyone.
Glad to see this change occur, even if its to late to save quite a few of the better players.
Power does not corrupt. Fear corrupts... perhaps the fear of a loss of power.
Seems clear that the ambiguity is intentional. People skirting the fringe of the well defined rules appears to be the problem, and another well defined rule would just be 'more of the same' and of no consequence. The folks in question would just skirt that rule as well. The only solution would then be ambiguity.
I suppose I favor this. Seems in line with ye olde 0.0
(07-28-2014, 02:18 PM)Alley Wrote: @nooblet: If this was to end into a massive wave of abusive bans from the admins, the only thing that would happen is that people would wander off. There is nothing this "announcement" covers that isn't already covered by the infamous 0.0 rule.
This announcement appears to me as nothing else but a warning to some players that they will now be dealt with. Will it change anything for the common user? I sort of doubt that.
0.0? Oh come on, seriously? This rule was NOT working for years - even admins mentioned that they don't care of someone reports for 0.0, instead, they laugh on the very person doing such report. No one was sanctioned for 0.0 except some few very unlucky (reasons why some are sanction and some are don't are beyond my scope anyway). 0.0? Forget it, don't even mention it because it's a dead case.
(07-28-2014, 07:42 PM)Omicron Wrote: "Give me a man, and I'll find paragraph."
~ Andrzej Wyszyński, Procurator General of the Soviet Union to Joseph Stalin
...Except we dont even need paragraph here anymore.
This. Pure baseless witch hunting without evidence is possible now.
Nice try to reduce the 50 average players on the server to 30. Keep the good work in killing the server.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
(07-29-2014, 01:22 AM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Don't be worried.
95 % of the players here are not targetted by the announcement.
And I am pretty sure that everybody who is targetted by it knows intutively that he is in the sights now.
Doesn't really help, people now worry whether they are in the 5% or not. You can be sure about anything you wish, that won't change much either.
There has always been a deliberately vaguely worded rule which has allowed the admin team free reign to ban people if they're behaving like an arse... Even if they are being careful to stay within the rules.
This is done as an acknowledgement that the rules are imperfect, that the letter of the law will never completely accurately reflect the spirit of it, and that people are imperfect too.
Nothing has changed. The only thing the admin team have done, is say they are going to act upon the spirit of the rules (something they should have been doing anyway). That is nothing to be upset by. All it means, is that people will find it harder to be a total arse to other players...
The only reason to be upset, is if you wish to skirt around the rules in order to annoy, upset or anger people, and do not want to be subject to any consequences for this.
(07-29-2014, 12:28 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: The only reason to be upset, is if you wish to skirt around the rules in order to annoy, upset or anger people, and do not want to be subject to any consequences for this.
Hmmm...
Is that a false dichotomy fallacy?
I think it is.
If there is any other options to intentionally trolling people within the rules and consequences being a worry, then this statement is false. Oh wait, let me think, the supposed dirty word bias comes up. That may be discredited, but it is still an option. It was brought up before. It has happened before. Thus, the logic does not hold.
If such a basic logical fallacy was committed, was it done so intentionally, and was it done so to troll anyone that voices concern into silence, over the rule changes?
As long as you keep objectivity i don't see problem with this decision.
But double standards are BIG NO!
There a few people in this thread who deserved indefinite ban many times over and nothing happened cause they are friends with some admins.
Also,i know people who we're banned indefinitely for much less...
Loose double standards and most of the people will agree with this.
Also,small addendum-as administrators you should administrate more then just sanctions and server restarts.
Example-if official faction not doing as it should,or starts doing stupid things,abusing faction rights,breaking lore rp,trolling players or groups (or just loosing activity),you should be the ones changing leader or leadership of that faction.
You should be judges of proper rp,breaking lore,protecting people or groups when necessary and so on...
Same goes for unofficial groups.If wrong-try to teach them,if they don't get it-change leader,don't just put their ships in Bastille for a month.
Of course-all this if you are 100% unbiased.
Administrate game more then you use to do.
Stay objective without double standards and server will improve.
I hope it's not to late.