Well what do I say. I was introducing a new player to disco. Took some uncut diamonds in ALG colossus ships, showed him O7,O3, Cambridge and NL. Then came to Liberty, texas, showed the p-scrap mining fields and in NY was stopped by one of you guys 5th|John.Armada & 5th|Scorpio. I would like to point out some things.
Firstly the interpretation of the Laws. Section 3 under the Equipment Section.
"Exceptions: ALG vessels with correct transponder and identification papers are permitted to pilot the Colossus Rheinland Train, Behemoth Medium Transport and Uruz Container Transport within Liberty. Synth Foods vessels operation under the Synth| tag are also permitted use of the Behemoth Medium Transport. The vessels Dumpster.Diver and Skip.Raider are permitted to operate Pirate Transports within the system of Liberty." source: http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread...#pid184926
This Clearly states that ALG can fly the colossus in Liberty space, which when I pointed out, the player flatly said "Things change".
Secondly which i found most immersion breaking was the pilots flatly ignored a pirate and a HellFire Legion, just a few clicks away from then and concentrated all their energies on escorting me out of the system. They considered a unarmed trader, who is allowed into Liberty a bigger threat than the Pirate and the Hellfire Legion.
For a Faction that represents the Liberty Navy,ignorance of the Liberty Laws is not excusable. Please do get your act together.
On a side note, i do apologies for my friend who had to log off suddenly and didnt follow us.
[14.05.2015 18:21:33] 5th|John.Armada: Greetings, Sirrius_coolie! Please cut your engines and stand-by for a cargo check.
[14.05.2015 18:21:51] Sirrius_coolie: yes?
[14.05.2015 18:21:51] 5th|John.Armada: Greetings, Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella! Please cut your engines and stand-by for a cargo check.
[14.05.2015 18:21:57] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: ok
[14.05.2015 18:22:30] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: anything wrong
[14.05.2015 18:22:51] Sirrius_coolie: can we go?
[14.05.2015 18:22:51] 5th|John.Armada: Stand by, the scan and check progress is still at work.
[14.05.2015 18:23:14] 5th|John.Armada: Stay there, both of you until I allow you to move.
[14.05.2015 18:23:19] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: ok
[14.05.2015 18:24:35] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: well
[14.05.2015 18:24:43] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Greetings.
[14.05.2015 18:24:47] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: something wrong?
[14.05.2015 18:24:51] 5th|John.Armada: Greetings, Lieutenant Commander.
[14.05.2015 18:24:59] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:There is quiet alot wrong with what I am seeing actually
[14.05.2015 18:25:06] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: well?
[14.05.2015 18:25:10] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:I am seeing two Rheinland Transport Pilots within my Capital.
[14.05.2015 18:25:22] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Along with two foreign ships
[14.05.2015 18:25:32] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: we are ALG. we are allowed into liberty arent we?
[14.05.2015 18:25:42] Richard.Owens: hey navy
[14.05.2015 18:25:59] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:With my knowledge no you are not. You are flying foreign ships for a start
[14.05.2015 18:26:01] Sirrius_coolie: this game is awesome xD
[14.05.2015 18:26:07] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: richard owens. that guy robbed us
[14.05.2015 18:26:17] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:I do not care, I know who he is.
[14.05.2015 18:26:28] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: well last i heard ALG allowed in liberty
[14.05.2015 18:26:36] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Things change
[14.05.2015 18:26:41] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:I dislike Rheinland
[14.05.2015 18:26:45] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:I dislike Rheinland Pilots
[14.05.2015 18:26:52] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:You are member of Rheinland and you are a Rheinland Pilot
[14.05.2015 18:26:54] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: well we are simple haulers
[14.05.2015 18:26:57] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:I dislike you
[14.05.2015 18:27:03] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: we got no guns
[14.05.2015 18:27:07] 5th|John.Armada: You will drop your cargo at the station, and leave Liberty.
[14.05.2015 18:27:12] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: we are merely traders
[14.05.2015 18:27:12] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:You should have taken the long way then not the shortcut through the house Rheinland are at war with.
[14.05.2015 18:27:19] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:No no no Lt Cmdr
[14.05.2015 18:27:22] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:I have a better idea.
[14.05.2015 18:27:33] Death: [RM]Ge.Michael.Voss suffered a self-inflicted catastrophic decompression.
[14.05.2015 18:27:37] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:You may just be traders
[14.05.2015 18:27:40] 5th|John.Armada: *he quirks a brow* Which would be?
[14.05.2015 18:27:54] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Rheinlanders where would you be taking those uncut diamonds
[14.05.2015 18:28:06] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: well we came through bretonia
[14.05.2015 18:28:19] 5th|John.Armada: I'll be on my way. I'll entrust the situation on you.
[14.05.2015 18:28:21] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: because we got reports of pirates in the sigmas
[14.05.2015 18:28:30] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: we are going to kusari
[14.05.2015 18:28:53] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Well here is the situation
[14.05.2015 18:29:09] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: yes?
[14.05.2015 18:29:15] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Where I personally dislike Rheinland pilots, I will be requesting you drop your cargo and leave Liberty the closest way
[14.05.2015 18:29:19] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:That is from both of you
[14.05.2015 18:29:25] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: what?
[14.05.2015 18:29:25] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Then we will forget you even showed up here
[14.05.2015 18:29:37] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: are we carrying contraband?
[14.05.2015 18:29:49] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:No but you are a member of the Rheinland House
[14.05.2015 18:29:54] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:We have just had this discussion
[14.05.2015 18:30:01] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: we are merely scrappers and haulers
[14.05.2015 18:30:06] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:So you either comply or I will be having both your ships impounded and then scrapped
[14.05.2015 18:30:21] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: and we got no quarrel with liberty
[14.05.2015 18:30:36] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:The choice is yours.
[14.05.2015 18:30:47] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: the Liberty laws does allow our corporation into Liberty
[14.05.2015 18:31:06] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Well ALG, comply to my demands.
[14.05.2015 18:31:25] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: well what you want us to do?
[14.05.2015 18:31:34] 5th|Scorpio: Mark: I have told you both
[14.05.2015 18:31:45] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: do we have a defence lawyer? are we entitled to that?
[14.05.2015 18:31:49] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:I have an transporter moving in
[14.05.2015 18:32:01] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:So you will comply to jettison all cargo and leave Liberty at once
[14.05.2015 18:32:17] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: well you are no better than pirates to be honest
[14.05.2015 18:32:27] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: what laws have we broken?
[14.05.2015 18:32:38] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Sirrius Coolie I advice you move this way a little bit
[14.05.2015 18:32:46] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Bringing a foreign ship into Liberty for one, and not complying
[14.05.2015 18:32:49] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: //new player
[14.05.2015 18:32:56] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: //dont mind him
[14.05.2015 18:33:00] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Move your vessel closer to Rumbling Bumbling FElla
[14.05.2015 18:33:05] Jack.Sunray.: Greetings, Navy Officer, and Rheinland Pilots.
[14.05.2015 18:33:19] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: This is a sight.
[14.05.2015 18:33:24] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:There we go
[14.05.2015 18:33:31] Jack.Sunray.: I've heard we got a problem?
[14.05.2015 18:33:35] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Now Rumbling Bumbling Fella Jettison all cargo
[14.05.2015 18:33:35] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: a pirate near the navy and he chooses to harass traders
[14.05.2015 18:33:54] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: well this calls for a complaint
[14.05.2015 18:34:04] 5th|Scorpio: Marko so. But you must comply first
[14.05.2015 18:34:09] Jack.Sunray.: Taking care of pirates is not the main duty of the navy, rheinland pilots.
[14.05.2015 18:34:13] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Or I will just take you into custody your choice
[14.05.2015 18:34:19] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: a pirate in the vicinity and navy instead harasses traders
[14.05.2015 18:34:30] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: very well
[14.05.2015 18:34:32] Jack.Sunray.: I say it again.
[14.05.2015 18:34:36] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Chop chop
[14.05.2015 18:34:53] Jack.Sunray.: Hand over your cargo now and be escorted out.
[14.05.2015 18:35:08] [HF]-LittleKiss: interesting!
[14.05.2015 18:35:10] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:You may leave now Rumbling Bumbling Fella
[14.05.2015 18:35:13] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: you wait
[14.05.2015 18:35:25] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Me wait?
[14.05.2015 18:35:28] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: harassing traders when a pirate is close
[14.05.2015 18:35:30] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: phew
[14.05.2015 18:35:30] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Was that a threat
[14.05.2015 18:35:47] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: this is an interesting way of viewing the navy
[14.05.2015 18:35:55] Jack.Sunray.: Moving to take care of the commodities.
[14.05.2015 18:36:00] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: no better than pirates *spits*
[14.05.2015 18:36:08] Jack.Sunray.: Well thats an insult.
[14.05.2015 18:36:11] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Your cargo has been confiscated from you
[14.05.2015 18:36:16] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Nothing more.
[14.05.2015 18:36:32] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: well what i hear, only contraband is confiscated
[14.05.2015 18:36:36] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Im still waiting on your friend to loose his cargo also
[14.05.2015 18:36:41] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: and this cargo aint contraband
[14.05.2015 18:36:44] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Your a Rheinland pilot
[14.05.2015 18:36:52] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Things change
[14.05.2015 18:36:54] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: //he's new. lemme talk to him
[14.05.2015 18:37:07] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:If he does not comply, he will have his ship impounded
[14.05.2015 18:37:10] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: well the 5th are pirates for all i care
[14.05.2015 18:37:12] 2015-05-14 13:07:14 SMT Traffic control alert: Jack.Sunray. has requested to dock
[14.05.2015 18:37:23] Jack.Sunray.: second insult.
[14.05.2015 18:37:34] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: you want a third?
[14.05.2015 18:37:34] Jack.Sunray.: I advice you to watch your mouth, rheinland pilot.
[14.05.2015 18:37:36] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:You really should stop insulting us there Rheinlander
[14.05.2015 18:37:51] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: well is there a crime for insulting?
[14.05.2015 18:37:58] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Can be.
[14.05.2015 18:38:03] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: is there a law against it?
[14.05.2015 18:38:08] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Especially one of the higher commanders of the 5th Fleet.
[14.05.2015 18:38:19] 5th|Scorpio: Markepends what kind of insults you are talking abou
[14.05.2015 18:38:24] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Now i've told you. Get gone!
[14.05.2015 18:38:27] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: well whatever
[[14.05.2015 18:38:37] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:I understand you are frustrated
[14.05.2015 18:38:40] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: now is it a crime to be hanging around?
[14.05.2015 18:38:41] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:You were caught here
[14.05.2015 18:38:49] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:I told you, you need to leave
[14.05.2015 18:38:51] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: with what? contraband?
[14.05.2015 18:38:52] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:So do so
[14.05.2015 18:38:53] Jack.Sunray.: Yea there is for you, hence to your ships.
[14.05.2015 18:39:04] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:You are flying foreign transporters
[14.05.2015 18:39:27] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Having an attitude towards a Lieutenant Commander of the 5th Fleet
[14.05.2015 18:39:31] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Insulting the 5th Fleet
[14.05.2015 18:39:33] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:The list goes on
[14.05.2015 18:39:42] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:I advice you leave at once or you will be taken into custody
[14.05.2015 18:39:43] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: an attitude that you deserve
[14.05.2015 18:39:50] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Just doing my job.
[14.05.2015 18:40:02] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: no you are no better than pirates
[14.05.2015 18:40:11] 2015-05-14 13:10:13 SMT Traffic control alert: Jack.Sunray. has requested to dock
[14.05.2015 18:40:15] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Well your making your lives harder
[14.05.2015 18:40:22] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: well whats this
[14.05.2015 18:40:23] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:You will NOW be escorted out of Liberty space and will NOT return
[14.05.2015 18:40:32] Jack.Sunray.: My job is done here
[14.05.2015 18:40:35] Jack.Sunray.: I am on my way.
[14.05.2015 18:40:37] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: you tell me to leave then disable the trade lane?
[14.05.2015 18:40:37] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:You will be escorted out via Battleship Missouri and then Texas
[14.05.2015 18:40:48] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Oh no your not going that way
[14.05.2015 18:40:52] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:You are returning to Rheinland
[14.05.2015 18:41:07] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: well you are directly going against the enbargo
[14.05.2015 18:41:20] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: no traffic thru that system
[14.05.2015 18:41:22] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:No im not. You are kindly asked to leave via Texas
[14.05.2015 18:41:28] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:You will comply
[14.05.2015 18:41:31] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: i suggest you read your laws navy
[14.05.2015 18:41:33] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Now turn around
[14.05.2015 18:41:40] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Rheinland
[14.05.2015 18:41:46] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:How many times do I have to say
[14.05.2015 18:41:51] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:You are being escorted out of Liberty via Texas
[14.05.2015 18:41:57] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: well well
[14.05.2015 18:41:58] 5th|Scorpio: Marko so now or be taken in. Your choice.
[14.05.2015 18:42:24] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: well this is funny
[14.05.2015 18:42:45] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:When you get to the Missouri you will STOP
[14.05.2015 18:43:32] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: haha
[14.05.2015 18:43:46] 5th|Scorpio: Markid I not say stop there ALG
[14.05.2015 18:44:07] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Now where is your little friend?
[14.05.2015 18:44:10] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: navy harrasing traders while hell fire goes freely
[14.05.2015 18:44:29] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:As you may be aware we are dealing with Rheinanders
[14.05.2015 18:44:39] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:I think you could be a spy.
[14.05.2015 18:44:43] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: who are not military haha
[14.05.2015 18:44:48] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:For all I know, you could be a spy
[14.05.2015 18:44:50] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: you got your priorities wrong
[14.05.2015 18:44:51] [HF]-LittleKiss: this isw the best they can do!
[14.05.2015 18:45:02] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Now ALG go to Texas
[14.05.2015 18:45:12] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: haha
[14.05.2015 18:45:29] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: HF teach these incumbent navy a lesson
[14.05.2015 18:46:07] 5th|Scorpio: Jump through now ALG
[14.05.2015 18:46:25] Death: BMF|XS.Cargo.Albatros was put out of action by a hostile vessel.
[14.05.2015 18:46:27] Discovery Freelancer is a role-playing server. All attacks must be the result of some form of role play. Shouting "Engaging" or "Halt" is not sufficient.
[14.05.2015 18:46:45] 5th|Scorpio: Keep moving ALG
[14.05.2015 18:46:51] 5th|Scorpio: Cruise now
[14.05.2015 18:47:27] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: hehe this is funny
[14.05.2015 18:47:30] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: really funny
[14.05.2015 18:47:40] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Why is that?
[14.05.2015 18:47:55] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: 2 navies bothered with a trader while HF runs scott free in New York
[14.05.2015 18:48:07] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Your more of a threat to us than a Hellfire Fighter.
[14.05.2015 18:48:09] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: really misplaced priorities there
[14.05.2015 18:48:16] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Move via Bering
[14.05.2015 18:48:27] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: ooh an unarmed trader more a threat?
[14.05.2015 18:48:30] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Bering
[14.05.2015 18:48:35] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Like I said. You are a spy
[14.05.2015 18:48:48] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: you got proof?
[14.05.2015 18:48:56] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: why the accusation?
[14.05.2015 18:48:58] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Your a Rheinland with an attitude insulting us
[14.05.2015 18:49:24] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: you deserve to be insulted as you are acting like an imbecile
[14.05.2015 18:49:32] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Keep insulting there ALG
[14.05.2015 18:49:42] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Now leave and DO NOT RETURN
[14.05.2015 18:49:44] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: ooh i know
[14.05.2015 18:50:00] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:Your friend will be dealt with as for not coming
[14.05.2015 18:50:09] Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella: you guys are seriously corrupted. no wonder Hell Fire hates you guys
[14.05.2015 18:50:15] 5th|Scorpio: Mark:They always have
[14.05.2015 18:51:28] 2015-05-14 13:21:31 SMT Traffic control alert: Rumbling-Bumbling-Fella has requested to dock
Allright. I don't even know what to say. Iam disappointed. First of all accept my appologie. Never thoought that this can happen. On the side of the players they already told me what happened and they got their punishment. Again iam sorry that you had to go trough this. It will not happen again.
So this. You're RP-wise being paid by the government to do this already. Bounty Hunting is for private citizens who want to be sanctioned to kill for the government, not for active duty members of the military. Were the character(s) to retire and then take it up as a Freelancer or Bounty Hunter that would be fine, but not as it stands.
We created a completly new Info page, while the "origin" remains the same, the "nowadays" part has been changed completly. We also added a new ranking system, and a better "tech tree". There are some other minor changes too. We would like to get some info, what do you think about it. And if there are any problems with it lore or otherwise please post it here. The new Faction Info can be found HERE
Once again we edited our info channel. Got rid of the "roster" part wich was not up to date. And placed a new part wich contains our cap ships down to cruiser class along with a short lore/history of each ship. You can find it here here. We would be intrested what do you think about this. Anykind of feedback is welcomed
Just a quick thumb up and kudos to the guys of 5th Fleet. Always have positive interactions with them, and if it wasn't for their constant presence, there would be very little lawful representation in Liberty space these days it seems. Keep up the good work.
I also wouldn't worry too much that your guys got the ALG issue confused. I used to fly an ALG scrap collector a long time ago but I gave up going to Liberty in it. Just about every guy in a navy ship didn't know that exception, and even had some members of the official LN decide to ignore it in the name of 'roleplay' and make up ridiculous fabricated reasons to impede me or remove me. Also, BH players liked to try and enforce the border embargo too for some reason. It just got too much hassle to even bother with. At least you have corrected your guys and informed them of the correct SOP where ALG is concerned. Thats all you can do.
Just a quick thumb up and kudos to the guys of 5th Fleet. Always have positive interactions with them, and if it wasn't for their constant presence, there would be very little lawful representation in Liberty space these days it seems. Keep up the good work.
I also wouldn't worry too much that your guys got the ALG issue confused. I used to fly an ALG scrap collector a long time ago but I gave up going to Liberty in it. Just about every guy in a navy ship didn't know that exception, and even had some members of the official LN decide to ignore it in the name of 'roleplay' and make up ridiculous fabricated reasons to impede me or remove me. Also, BH players liked to try and enforce the border embargo too for some reason. It just got too much hassle to even bother with. At least you have corrected your guys and informed them of the correct SOP where ALG is concerned. Thats all you can do.
Thank you for this pal, and that ALG issue you speak of was actually my fault, and I spoke with the guys flying and it was infact a new guy to the server and a good friend of mine, and we had a little chat and was all dealt with I did also apologise for this. But like I said in this thread or another one very similar myself and a few others are working on improving the 5th fleet and taking that lolwut cap issue and changing it to snub brawls and a few gunboats if anything, only heavier support if it is 100% required and needed.