Registration Agreement v2

[Alley]

I'm more confused about this:

"By registering on this discussion system you agree that you will not post any material which is knowingly false, inaccurate..."

Does this mean the end of the RP section?

This part has been here since we switched to MyBB in 2010. none of this is about RP, it's about protecting users from things like defamation. Don't really read too much into it, it's standard stuff.

I need to point out here Echo that the new agreement doesn't transfer ownership of faction content, it just prevents authors from doing exactly that.

A sizeable amount of people have been openly hostile to the idea of completely sharing their work with their faction. I honestly wonder why these people are faction members (or even leaders lmao) if they have no intention to fully contribute to their faction progression. The current deal basically leave their initial authorship over their content if it becomes part of what is considered faction material (which we could define as something that becomes part of the faction's history) but does not prevent alteration from the moment crediting and a changelog is provided. This solves the problem for situations in which content has to be reworked but the OA is not available anymore, without making it possible for your faction members to be able to edit everything you wrote if you're still around. People trust their faction members that much.

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Alley was right.

[Char Aznable]

'Sharing' is not the issue here @Alley, and this underlying aggression in your post is not helping. I (or the people that you have meant in your post) are not against the sharing of their content. It is pretty much common sense, that if you craft a faction, members of it have the right top build upon it etc. And if you step down from your leadership position, you of course give the rights to decide about the further development into the hands of the new leadership (unless you're still part of it etc).

What I have been objecting to is the simple fact, that every post made inside of the faction RP (MDs, Biographies, RP threads that have been made in official function etc) doesn't belong to the author anymore, and that's just plain wrong. This issue has been fixed, and that's why my concerns are gone.

My trust concern stays. Discussions like these shouldn't be decided by the Admins alone, and the way it is handled currently doesn't help.

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[Mímir]

"Posting false/inaccurate materia"l is a bit vague, but it's wording is definitely not covering RP. RP isn't false, it's fictional. No one ever claims it's real nor can we reasonably assume that anyone would every interpret it is as such.

More about posting false information about yourself or others. This is especially important for account information, and for anyone giving up content such as ship models or handing over any written content that the staff officially adopts.

Almost all the Player-Based-Story-Evolution mods and games I've been a part of have done things this way or similarly. They have to cover their bases so that they:

a. Aren't held responsible for people posting material they don't own.

b. Don't lose many hours of work over a player deciding they want to retcon pieces of established fiction that have become important to persons or groups other than the original creator.

I've only ever seen it really abused once in the past decade, and while it's always a concern most devs/mods/gms have proven it won't be an issue over time.

Edit-
Just to add on: Trust, in both directions of the Player-Staff relationship, can lead to really great work and fun as long as it's not broken.

Very good points!

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[Alley]

'Sharing' is not the issue here @Alley, and this underlying aggression in your post is not helping. I (or the people that you have meant in your post) are not against the sharing of their content. It is pretty much common sense, that if you craft a faction, members of it have the right top build upon it etc. And if you step down from your leadership position, you of course give the rights to decide about the further development into the hands of the new leadership (unless you're still part of it etc).

What I have been objecting to is the simple fact, that every post made inside of the faction RP (MDs, Biographies, RP threads that have been made in official function etc) doesn't belong to the author anymore, and that's just plain wrong. This issue has been fixed, and that's why my concerns are gone.

My trust concern stays. Discussions like these shouldn't be decided by the Admins alone, and the way it is handled currently doesn't help.

Char, I'm just expressing my personal opinion, that's why it's not green.

It didn't initially appear as a problem to encompass MDs, Bios and everything else because it was seen as objects related to the faction. The initial draft was meant to keep things inside Disco but it appeared as too restrictive to the community, so it was changed to a system that would prevent authors from losing control over their work (so CC licensing). Then it was suggested to make the Wiki and Forum RP work under the same licensing so we could seamlessly move things between the two. After the second version was posted, it turned out upon reading the entire license terms once again that the wiki wasn't running on the international standard version of the CC license and featured a pretty bad loophole. At which point fixing these problems seemed necessary and we just evolved the entire licensing scheme governing the wiki.

I think the issue here is that people are just not reading what's posted or the CC license. Most of the posts so far are the result of people not taking to time to understand what they're reading. I know legal seems threatening to a lot of people, but if you just take time to think about what you've read, it usually becomes clear to you, and if not, I'm here to clear it up.

There seems to be some serious misunderstanding as well related to what a CC license is. It's not Public Domain, it just covers how to deal with the redistribution of your work. It doesn't suddenly take away all of your rights, that's what a public domain license would do, and THAT would be a legitimate reason to be spooked.

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Alley was right.

[Char Aznable]

PMed you, there's no reason for discussing this on the forums since it goes off-topic and will result in trial-by-Forum.

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