I'll not go into another "Thyrzul debates because he debates" session in which we pick at each others' words.
I have made my points. I have shown that your personal attack on me (by drawing misguided parallels to the demand of transparency) is flawed. Whether you agree to my parallels to rl, I do not care.
To the rest, I'll just answer: A leader is also only just a human being. He is angry, sad, makes mistakes, etc. Assuming anything else is ridiculous. You are in OFL, you know what faction leaders are. Shaggy's announcement is harmless kindergarten bithday party against that. If it had not been leaked at the perfect time with the intention to cause damage, it would have gone completely without any effect, which would have been the right action anyway.
And when you try to re-attack me again ("bad interaction is better than none"), you just show that you have no clue what it means to be in a situation when your faction is under intense pressure (again, not saying CR is at the moment). Council is indeed not an example for that, there never has been a group to focus on your faction, and you can be happy that you have not been there. Let's just leave it at that.
Anyway, this leads too far away. I'll answer your last question in PM because I'll not get into insults on the forums.
Edit: Furthermore, the whole thing is an issue of the past, as interaction has already been resumed again.
You started dissecting my post, don't pretend it was otherwise. You have not shown any of my points being flawed either, we just disagree.
This "being just human" is the good old excuse of hiding from responsibilities. A human being is a human being, but a leader is a leader. It is natural for a human to make mistakes, sometimes go overly emotional. It is naturally expected of a leader to be objective, cool headed, constructive, etc., basically to be capable to lead. Sure I can't tell a human not to be human, that's why being human is forgivable, but if a leader fails to act like a leader, then he is free not to be one. Being an OFL is a responsibility, not a reward. That applies to any leading positions as well, be it iRL or just in a game, faction leader, staff member, whatever. That someone is just a human can only be an excuse if someone is acting as a human. If that person has to be a leader, and act like a leader, that excuse is not acceptable.
I wish if Council would be under intense pressure, I'd love the activity it would create. Of course by the proper inRPly logical parties, please. Perhaps I have no clue of what you've been through, but I still remember your words defending various people that their activity is still activity, no matter how lolwuttish it was.
(08-18-2016, 04:32 PM)Wasserdrache Wrote: I'm not usually a person who qq's about unfair fights against me.. but what your ppl did in Leeds. Good.
Wasserdrache, you call an unfair fight. A 3 v 1 and one of our died so I joined the fight is un fair yes. But skill level wise you could have killed all of us in a 2 v 1. People do not understand skill level takes priority over numbers. I have witnessed so many pvp players take on 6 or 10 fighters alone. I know you are very good at pvp. I also know you were shadow logging us from Tau 23 - Tau 31 into Leeds where you engaged one of my pilots. You was seeking pvp and no roleplay. My pilots where looking for roleplay. So please give us constructive feedback instead of QQ. Thank you.
(08-18-2016, 04:43 PM)Shaggy Wrote: Wasserdrache, you call an unfair fight. A 3 v 1 and one of our died so I joined the fight is un fair yes. But skill level wise you could have killed all of us in a 2 v 1. People do not understand skill level takes priority over numbers.
You do not understand skill then. Wasser is average in PvP, but that doesn't mean it gives you the right to go ahead and outnumber him. Just because he could kill you without losing much of his hull in conn, doesn't mean he's going to win a 1v3. Even I would have a great difficulty trying to go against three of your men on my own. Granted I do not have a loadout that would help me insta/drain your nanobots quickly, in a shot.
You shouldn't have joined and made it a 1v3 again. Maybe you could've joined when he killed the second one, but you decided to make it a stressful 1v3 again. You found a poor excuse to gank him.
@"Wasserdrache" no offense 2 u wasser but i speak from what i experienced in conn, <3
(08-18-2016, 04:43 PM)Shaggy Wrote: I also know you were shadow logging us from Tau 23 - Tau 31 into Leeds where you engaged one of my pilots. You was seeking pvp and no roleplay. My pilots where looking for roleplay. So please give us constructive feedback instead of QQ. Thank you.
Don't make shadowlogging a thing, you're not even using the term properly.
I'm going to assume he's a GRN pilot, so of course he's not seeking to Roleplay. You're the "enemy of the crown", of course he would shoot you for being in that territory. What, you want him to eat baguettes and drink tea with you? Be real. You were a hostile in enemy territory, you got what you provoked.
CR tried to counter the gap between the average CR PvP skill and the average GRN PvP skill with numbers, but it didn't take too long, about two minutes, for two other official and one indy GRN to join in (at which point I went in too). With the afoementioned gap in skills, it wasn't hard to turn the resulting 5v4 into a 1v4 within 10 minutes. The whole encounter didn't even last 15 minutes, ending with GRN victory and no losses on their side.
CR tried to counter the gap between the average CR PvP skill and the average GRN PvP skill with numbers, but it didn't take too long, about two minutes, for two other official and one indy GRN to join in (at which point I went in too). With the afoementioned gap in skills, it wasn't hard to turn the resulting 5v4 into a 1v4 within 10 minutes. The whole encounter didn't even last 15 minutes, ending with GRN victory and no losses on their side.
So what's the problem?
Thank you Tyrzul. We tried to put CR PvP skill against the average, normal every day GRN PvP skill with the numbers we have. GRN are also aware of CR members being here 3 months in this game and we have alot of new members to the game and to pvp in it self. I have flown with Wasser alot before back in 5th days and I know he is more than capable of killing us in a 3 v 1 or a 2 v 1. I tried to keep the skill even. I also immediatly went to skype and apologised for it as soon as I found out who it was.
Not long after BAF was engaged by the 2nd GRN who logged in and not 5 minutes later another 2 GRN| log in and a indie who's roleplay was disappointing and was/could be seen as meme/trolling.
The GRN won the fight with CR/C/BAF having all the loses. So I do not see why you are coming here to QQ about it. Please give constructive feedback instead of moaning because of we are trying to match your skill with our numbers.
(08-18-2016, 04:32 PM)Wasserdrache Wrote: I'm not usually a person who qq's about unfair fights against me.. but what your ppl did in Leeds. Good.
Wasserdrache, you call an unfair fight. A 3 v 1 and one of our died so I joined the fight is un fair yes. But skill level wise you could have killed all of us in a 2 v 1. People do not understand skill level takes priority over numbers. I have witnessed so many pvp players take on 6 or 10 fighters alone. I know you are very good at pvp. I also know you were shadow logging us from Tau 23 - Tau 31 into Leeds where you engaged one of my pilots. You was seeking pvp and no roleplay. My pilots where looking for roleplay. So please give us constructive feedback instead of QQ. Thank you.
(08-18-2016, 05:51 PM)Shaggy Wrote:
(08-18-2016, 05:46 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:
I don't really see the issue here.
CR tried to counter the gap between the average CR PvP skill and the average GRN PvP skill with numbers, but it didn't take too long, about two minutes, for two other official and one indy GRN to join in (at which point I went in too). With the afoementioned gap in skills, it wasn't hard to turn the resulting 5v4 into a 1v4 within 10 minutes. The whole encounter didn't even last 15 minutes, ending with GRN victory and no losses on their side.
So what's the problem?
Thank you Tyrzul. We tried to put CR PvP skill against the average, normal every day GRN PvP skill with the numbers we have. GRN are also aware of CR members being here 3 months in this game and we have alot of new members to the game and to pvp in it self. I have flown with Wasser alot before back in 5th days and I know he is more than capable of killing us in a 3 v 1 or a 2 v 1. I tried to keep the skill even. I also immediatly went to skype and apologised for it as soon as I found out who it was.
Not long after BAF was engaged by the 2nd GRN who logged in and not 5 minutes later another 2 GRN| log in and a indie who's roleplay was disappointing and was/could be seen as meme/trolling.
The GRN won the fight with CR/C/BAF having all the loses. So I do not see why you are coming here to QQ about it. Please give constructive feedback instead of moaning because of we are trying to match your skill with our numbers.
I don't really see the point behind going in a 4v1 because it is "me", even if I would be able to kill 3 of you alone or any other player who is average in pvp. I mean you could do the same thing with other people like Yber, Meph, Traxit or Lambda who are also very good in pvp. As Traxit said, conn is something diffrent, also that phrase.. "Please give constructive feedback instead of moaning because of we are trying to match your skill with our numbers" .. like really? I can't really see any not cunstructive feedback since my post. I think if you continue to be like that, people will change their opinion about you and CR| at all. Also I don't want to say that GRN never "ganks" or give's only unfair fights. I can only talk about my own expirence of ganking in my previous Freelancer time. I don't really need to talk about it, since I played on Hamburg City, players like Salmin will remember how fights started and ended there.