Regarding Gallia and Kusari Civil war

[Omi]

I really don't understand where this comes from. You are basically accusing us to have given you the middle finger every-time you attempted to interact with us? As far as I can remember, [KNF] HC did their best to answer to GRN oorp requests and to interact with its player-base along the years.

An example : remember about that idea you had to have GRN roam in Kusari to get some nice interactions not centered on pews? Hubert agreed to it. When I asked you (months?) later where this was going, you told me you lost motivation to do this and put it on hold for now. How is that our fault?

No, I am not saying KNF flips me the bird every time I get within scanner range or send them a comm. I am saying that Kusari's current status doesn't make any bloody sense, and that any attempt to seriously change that has not even gotten off the ground before it gets torn to shreds. I have a quote from Hubert on record saying that even he was not too keen about GRN| showing a presence in 29 or Kyushu, of all places, and considering that Hubert is probably the most helpful point of contact within Kusari regarding GRN| stuff that's not really a vote of confidence. You have a point in mentioning that nothing concrete ever got sent your way, but that's as a direct result of having any preliminary feelers I sent out coming back with an overwhelmingly negative response. Why should I bother typing up something formal when it's going to just wind up wasting my time?

The decision of not allowing GRN in Kusari was legitimate. Do you remember about that 343 faction made of generally inapt pvpers? Remember how they were targeted by a group of players every-time they logged? Not adding GRN on top of that was solely decided to piss you off? C'mon, Omi.

I know {343} got pretty much run off the server, yes. Honestly I couldn't care less about the Kusari Civil War one way or another - it makes absolutely no sense from a story perspective that GRN let them get anywhere in the first place, but thankfully it's a non-issue because the conflict never sparked to life to begin with.

But maybe there is others official sources clearly stating Kusari is entirely a vassal or protectorate of Gallia, with no true political independence. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I would actually be glad if there was actually a source being unambiguously clear on that very point. That way I could know exactly how I am supposed to role-play this. Meanwhile, some of us opposing you INRP (if you call that opposing) is perfectly legitimate, unless you consider natural for a house to willingly abandon its sovereignty.

Treaties like the Tau Decree always look as if they're written between equals, but you're meant to read between the lines. I don't have any official sources to throw at you, unfortunately, but how much sense do you think it makes that Gallia would allow an ideologically opposed House to just keep on puttering on right at its border without doing anything to influence it towards them or keep it on some sort of a leash? You cannot just swan around saying "oh, well, there's nothing that says we CAN'T" and motor on as if Gallia is either meant to not notice or not care about Kusari getting uppity. You are putting the pressure on me then to not look like an asshole, because believe it or not I am not entirely enthusiastic about crashing into other people's roleplay and saying HEY STOP THAT. If you don't think things like Kusari trying to buddy up to Liberty in full view of Gallia is taking the piss just a little, then I don't really know what to tell you. What do you think I'm meant to do about that? There's clearly a whole ton more interest within Kusari itself to put its hands over its eyes and its fingers in its ears and play on as if Gallia never happened. I think I'm justified to whinge about that, especially considering I don't make it a point at all to try and force anything on the House and its playerbase that I'm not entirely sure they don't want either.

Do I have to remind you we were largely in favor of ending this civil war so that a conflict with Liberty could happen, thus potentially ending with Shikoku being invaded and GRN sending assets to contain the front with Liberty? How does that fit that narrative?

So no. I'm sorry. If you want to interact with us, do so. But don't put all the blame on us when we both know you are very demotivated to do anything related with Gallia. You certainly have valid reasons for that, but that doesn't grant you the right to paint us as obstructive, hubristic little fruits.
Thanks.

A triggered Yao.

Ending the Civil War would be a great step forwards (Christ, just outright retcon it) but AFAIK the story devs are somewhat unenthusiastic about that line of thought. Valors in Shikoku with a closer Gallic-Kusari alliance is one of my pipe dreams, but contrary to your claims I can't remember hearing anything about Kusari support for that type of swing. Correct me if I'm missing anything, but this is the first I've heard that anyone but Hubert really has or had any enthusiasm for acknowledging the big white giant to your northwest.

Get short with me if you want, but you have my perspective on things now. I'm not demotivated to do things related to Gallia, but I do prefer to spend my time and effort in areas where it doesn't feel like I'm going to get my hand bitten off if I stick it out. I have better things to do than play juggle-the-iRP-and-ooRP to not look like a dick, but the general impression that I and previous GRN| leaders have had about Kusari's willingness to play ball has not been much more than - as you say - obstructive. Honestly, I feel like the majority of your players would be lying if they told me they wouldn't prefer Gallia to stay entirely out of Kusari affairs, regardless of how little sense that makes in the roleplay narrative. If that's not 'obstructive', then I don't know what is.

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[Calo]

Reading this thread reminds me why I'm always angry every time Kusari is mentioned. It may sound sour, but peace with Gallia and killing core of KNF is the fact that I cannot get over with. It killed activity for Kusari, which - as it was proven by 343 which gained officialdom but quickly faded due to lack of any activity (seriously, trying to make people log was horror...) - cannot be repaired by players alone.

Yet, we can't retcon whole thing, because "duh, it would waste roleplay done in all these years". Welp, I can point out pretty much of 'retcons' and Dev decisions without conscience of offcial factions which ruined people's fun.

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[Yaoquizque]

[...] You have a point in mentioning that nothing concrete ever got sent your way, but that's as a direct result of having any preliminary feelers I sent out coming back with an overwhelmingly negative response. Why should I bother typing up something formal when it's going to just wind up wasting my time?

You have a point in mentioning that a part of Kusari player-base may look against any Gallia interference, but that's as a direct result of having an ambiguous lore not stating what are the exact relations between Gallia and Kusari. How could Kusari folks cope with this if Gallia player-base never made any move to materialize this potentiality? We could keep pointing fingers at each other yelling "it's your fault!" and it would be the best way to ensure this never changes.

Also do note people may have characters who are INRP hostile against Gallia. That doesn't mean those people hate you or don't want to interact with you.

[...] Honestly I couldn't care less about the Kusari Civil War one way or another - it makes absolutely no sense from a story perspective that GRN let them get anywhere in the first place, but thankfully it's a non-issue because the conflict never sparked to life to begin with.

We are in perfect agreement. The Exiles should never have existed and Kusari should have remained an Empire (but with Kishiro as the upper dog).

[...] how much sense do you think it makes that Gallia would allow an ideologically opposed House to just keep on puttering on right at its border without doing anything to influence it towards them or keep it on some sort of a leash? You cannot just swan around saying "oh, well, there's nothing that says we CAN'T" and motor on as if Gallia is either meant to not notice or not care about Kusari getting uppity. You are putting the pressure on me then to not look like an asshole, because believe it or not I am not entirely enthusiastic about crashing into other people's roleplay and saying HEY STOP THAT. If you don't think things like Kusari trying to buddy up to Liberty in full view of Gallia is taking the piss just a little, then I don't really know what to tell you. What do you think I'm meant to do about that? [...]

Or that could be seen as an opportunity... Isn't there some rp potential for Gallia/GRN when they hear about this warming up? Or you can just keep claiming Kusari player-base are unwilling to cooperate and do nothing. That's an option.

[...]. Correct me if I'm missing anything, but this is the first I've heard that anyone but Hubert really has or had any enthusiasm for acknowledging the big white giant to your northwest.

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And yes. The consensus in KNF was that option 2 should happen. (Devs said no)

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[Calo]

So, in regard to yesterday's event and shootings between GRN and KNF... Are Devs taking it into account or what happened in event will not have anything to do with roleplay consequences, again?

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[Calo]

I would love to remind the only reason why official 343 failed - and any interest into Exile ID faltered - is this.

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