(04-15-2018, 11:31 AM)bobyman Wrote: If you don't see Outcast ID listed there that doesn't mean they can't come. Outcasts have ZOI on the Gallic borderworlds so they can go there and do whatever they want
The OC was not there because of the event, its ZOI and the system have had traffic and we just wanted to have some fun nothing more nothing less
(04-15-2018, 12:13 PM)Antonio Wrote: Just because you have ZoI there doesn't mean you should participate in the event,
at that time if there was traffic in another system we would have went there the event was not even in our mind.
(04-15-2018, 12:13 PM)Antonio Wrote: The Outcast base is more like a placeholder that no one ever cared about.
maybe no one cared about because there is only few true outcasts around ? Speaking of myself i used to fly around some OC bases and systems ALONE even when the old OC factions was still active and it ended up that the Dev. team removed these systems for the same reason " no one even visit them except me and the same exact group that was in Orkney yesterday"
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After a bit of thinking the only technical issue I could find with the participation of those not listed as eligible for the combat bonus is that their participation may prevent others with eligible characters getting the combat bonus they worked for. For example, a Valor taking out a Redemption almost entirely by himself will not get his reward if the last shots are fired by a Ranseur, nor will anyone get any bonus in an opposite case if the last hit on the Valor is made by a Deimos. It would be useful and quite considerate from everyone to keep that in mind when participating in combat in Orkney.
(04-15-2018, 01:42 PM)hatayade Wrote: Why is everyone crying so much about Outcasts in Orkney...
Coz Council doesn't have enough of a player base? Isn't That is why They have ALREADY been given the alliance of BAF, Bretonia Police, Bretonia Privateers... "Because Council needed caps from an active player base"_as said by Antonio.... The way I see It, There is enough spam and shadowlogged ships to intercept the repair operations...
IT was a Gallic Loyalists vs Council and Bretonia Event... Outcasts unexpectedly showed up in Orkney and kinda messed up the ongoing battle ? Why ?? Coz The Sniffers have zo much ZOI they like to do whatever the yapshet they want thats why.... Or may be because Maltese Saw the Opportunity to strike its enemies while they are fighting one another and may be get to keep the spoils entirely for themselves...
May be it can be an Epic Three-Way battle... Who cares if they have been given "Official" bonus for the kills or not... May be this can give rise to a jagged alliance between GRN and Outcasts... GRN doesn't like sniffers but they gotta ally themselves becoz they have so many freakin' Enemies... I dunno.. However you wish to twist it...
Discovery Freelancer should be Unpredictable.. And Unexpectedly seeing a Maltese Army in a Gallic Loyalist vs Council & Bretonia Event is kind of a surprise... like What the heck are Outcasts upto now.. Wasn't there enough going on.. LOL.. It's Nice... Coz You don't really see it coming.. BUT Now you gotta deal with it...
Deal with the Maltese Army the way all you folks spam Snubs, Bombers, Caps and what not the moment you see ONE freakin RNS in Magellan... Stop Whining...
On another point of view
So You guys suggest I got a CR Dreadnought.. And If I have ZOI in Orkney (I don't know if they have.. but just consider.. for sake of example).. But Since CR is not mentioned in the event.. You guys want me to "create" a Coucil character ? Why ?? Or precisely a Bomber or Snub? Why??? I want to fight using a Capital Ship .. and I don't wanna spend money on a Council Cap Ship which I won't use later.... Why Can't I simply bring my CR Dread and halp whichever way I can... Or May be get killed by everyone coz they don't want my interference, Who Cares If CR is mentioned in event or not.. I just wanna have some fun...
You guys wish to log Council or Bretonians and Participate in the event.. Do It... Good For you.. If someone wants to be there and have fun.. What is so wrong with that... If Outcasts want to spam an army in Orkney just becoz they can.. What is sooo wrong about that.... If BHG shows up in Orkney to hunt down the Outcasts, What is sooooooo wrong about it.... Let it become a ClusterF**k If it haz to be...
LET PEOPLE DO WHATEVER THE HECK THEY WANT... THEY ARE NOT HERE TO DO WHAT YOU LIKE OR WHAT YOU FIND RIGHT..
People want to have fun, Let them have Fun.. Stop Whining....
Anyways apart from this....
To Whosoever it may concern...
Can we please have a tracker or something... To get an Idea for how much Repair Goods need to be delivered.. Or atleast tell how much was required in the first place...
The problem is that this is a server with RP rules, so "doing whatever the heck they want" and it "becoming a clusterfuck it needs to be" is not really promoting the spirit of the server. Exactly as I said, you just want to bring your capship and "have fun" , well so do we all want to have fun, but one mans fun is another mans frustration and anger. For example, your way of thinking is making me angry. The only reason you play this game apparently is because you want to use the biggest ship you can get to the most active zone there is and "have fun", without even stopping for one second and thinking about the lore and context around the event.
Do others a favour and get a Gallic/BAF if you want to participate in the event, no it doesn't have to be the biggest damn ship you can find this side of the universe for you to have "fun", player interaction is the same no matter the size of your ship, but judging from your writing you probably don't have much good interaction with other players. Oh yeah and about your "Who cares" attitude, plenty of people care. People that not only enjoy shooting enemies with the biggest ship that they can find, but people that came here to interact with others . Using words like "crying" and "whining" are unnecessary, forums exist for feedback and criticism, disagreements and agreements alike, if you don't like that, then don't participate or learn to participate in a civilized manner, simple as that.
There's one system that specifically exists for people like you, and it's called Connecticut, go ahead and have your idea of "fun" there, it is made for that.
HOW DOES IT NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE LORE ?
IT was a Gallic Loyalists vs Council and Bretonia Event... Outcasts unexpectedly showed up in Orkney and kinda messed up the ongoing battle ?
may be because Maltese Saw the Opportunity to strike its enemies while they are fighting one another and may be get to keep the spoils entirely for themselves...
As the Council Leader above me haz mentioned.. Both the fighting sides can turn against the Outcasts if they want.. Whatever... Do It...
By "Who Cares" I only meant that why it has to be The mentioned sides showing up in the system.. It is an open event.. Not like only certain registered factions only can show up.. Its nothing mentioned like that.. If it were a closed event where you require registration and sutff.. It were a different thing...
Connecticut is for Out Of Roleplay stuff.. And it isn't as active as a system with ongoing event..
If people like to take their "Biggest Ship" into the most "Active" Place... There is nothing wrong in that... For shooting or interacting with players.. For Whatever reason it might be... Their Choice...
AS For your ASSUMPTIONS about me... I made a Council Bomber on the very first day of the event.. And I have participated as an Indie council Bomber most of yesterday and this present day.. and obviously I did not go "Hey I'll destroy all your transport" *pew* *pew* *pew*.. I don't need to justify that as I already take screenshots of the Interactions I do...
The Only Difference is.. I don't mind suddenly seeing Maltese ships appearing in Orkney.. For me it was fun seeing them out of nowhere.. I don't understand why people have to bash them out on the forums for doing so...
You have your own definitions of "Fun".. Other People have theirs... If they are doing it in their ZOI, Not Breaking any Server Rules.. What is so wrong with that... Log your ships.. Deal with them,...
"Outcasts unexpectedly showed up" Hahaha, that's an oxymoron if I ever heard one, it would be more unexpected if they didn't show up.
It doesn't, they were just there to shoot stuff, your argument would make sense if they actually came there and did something interesting except just shoot at shit, like make a deal with someone etc.
Nobody's denying you the right to show up with whatever the hell you want but just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD. And then don't expect people to not criticize dumb stuff happening in the event. Again you're talking nonsense. "For whatever reason it might be." There is no reason to bring your highly valued capital ships in a middle of a war zone far from home. If we all can just make up reasons just to do whatever the hell we want this wouldn't be a roleplay server it would be a wantplay server. I too want to bring my kusari gunboat in the middle of the system to "have fun" but it would not make sense whatsoever for me to do it.
Sure it is an open event but that event was made to promote factions other than lolcasts, those guys could've just as easily made 7 Maquis/Council/Brigand/GRN characters and made it much more interesting. You're not thinking about the context of stuff you're just criticizing people for criticizing.
As about the assumptions? What assumptions? You said it yourself:
"You guys want me to "create" a Coucil character ? Why ?? Or precisely a Bomber or Snub? Why??? I want to fight using a Capital Ship .. and I don't wanna spend money on a Council Cap Ship which I won't use later.... Why Can't I simply bring my CR Dread and halp whichever way I can... Or May be get killed by everyone coz they don't want my interference, Who Cares If CR is mentioned in event or not.. I just wanna have some fun..."
And now you're claiming you made a character on the first day, give it a rest man.
TL;DR: Just because its not against the rules doesn't make it immune to criticism and doesn't make it fine.
I'll stop whining after I start whining, otherwise it's a bit difficult, thanks for the advice though. Don't worry, I won't request those restrictions just because of a child's rant. People were not demanded, but asked to chose the factions this event was meant for, you are still free to play anything you want without having to be loud about it.
Well.. Yeah...Bruh.. In front of a Veteran player like you... I'm a child... I accept that.. And I am Sorry If I have been too oblique.. I just wanted to say a point here.. that's all...
Actually It's just that everyone shared their frustration of seeing Outcasts in the system.. And I wanted to say... It isn't that bad...
I wasn't among those Outcasts.. But IN MY OPINION; I din't feel like they deserved so much of hate people were throwing at them... So.. I just wanted to say my points..
As I have read the rest of the people's replies, I see "Outcasts spam in all active events, and It would be surprising if they don't show up" lol.. Ohkay...
I think my response was based on very limited experience... I'm Sorry for that.. Also.. I'm Sorry for being too loud and over-reacting...
(04-15-2018, 03:09 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:
After a bit of thinking the only technical issue I could find with the participation of those not listed as eligible for the combat bonus is that their participation may prevent others with eligible characters getting the combat bonus they worked for. For example, a Valor taking out a Redemption almost entirely by himself will not get his reward if the last shots are fired by a Ranseur, nor will anyone get any bonus in an opposite case if the last hit on the Valor is made by a Deimos. It would be useful and quite considerate from everyone to keep that in mind when participating in combat in Orkney.
Well.. Yeah... People stealing other people's kills.. That happens all the time.. Even without the Outcasts showing up...
Many Time It happens that I do 99 percent of damage and some random bomber goes and spams Hellfire Rockets and gets the Blue.. along with the bonus...
I understand.. It's annoying as hell.. But still.., It never bothered me that much..
I think, One of the perks of being an Outcasts is having a huge ZOI... They use it their way...
Just Like the perk of flying an LNS is that it has a HUGE player base.. Every goddamn person wants to fly a Liberty Cap Ship... They can gank like crazy...
What I feel is.. Council has got enough advantage by having Bretonian Armed Forces, Bretonian Police and Bretonian Privateers as allies already... All time Orkney is flooded with these ships.. If Outcasts show up.. Kill them off.. You guys are more than capable to do it...
I saw a Storta Destroyer getting mauled by 3 Council Bombers and 1 Armed Forces "Challenger" Heavy Bomber.. LoL.. Poor guy...
"Outcasts unexpectedly showed up" Hahaha, that's an oxymoron if I ever heard one, it would be more unexpected if they didn't show up.
It doesn't, they were just there to shoot stuff, your argument would make sense if they actually came there and did something interesting except just shoot at *****, like make a deal with someone etc.
Nobody's denying you the right to show up with whatever the hell you want but just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD. And then don't expect people to not criticize dumb stuff happening in the event. Again you're talking nonsense. "For whatever reason it might be." There is no reason to bring your highly valued capital ships in a middle of a war zone far from home. If we all can just make up reasons just to do whatever the hell we want this wouldn't be a roleplay server it would be a wantplay server. I too want to bring my kusari gunboat in the middle of the system to "have fun" but it would not make sense whatsoever for me to do it.
Sure it is an open event but that event was made to promote factions other than lolcasts, those guys could've just as easily made 7 Maquis/Council/Brigand/GRN characters and made it much more interesting. You're not thinking about the context of stuff you're just criticizing people for criticizing.
As about the assumptions? What assumptions? You said it yourself:
"You guys want me to "create" a Coucil character ? Why ?? Or precisely a Bomber or Snub? Why??? I want to fight using a Capital Ship .. and I don't wanna spend money on a Council Cap Ship which I won't use later.... Why Can't I simply bring my CR Dread and halp whichever way I can... Or May be get killed by everyone coz they don't want my interference, Who Cares If CR is mentioned in event or not.. I just wanna have some fun..."
And now you're claiming you made a character on the first day, give it a rest man.
TL;DR: Just because its not against the rules doesn't make it immune to criticism and doesn't make it fine.
Who are you to Decide What people SHOULD and What people SHOULDN'T ?
I am Criticizing people for Criticizing.. That's what you're saying? .. Well.. OBVIOUSLY... I find your criticism to be unreasonable...
"And then don't expect people to not criticize dumb stuff happening in the event" You find that Dumb.. You said your point.. I don't agree with them.. I criticized your points... Don't Expect people Not To Criticize what you find to be ultra-logical....
"There is no reason to bring your highly valued capital ships in a middle of a war zone far from home".. That's True.. But if a group of people decide to RP as Reckless Trigger-happy Maltese Army ... How can you stop them.. They care not they are going far from home.. Deal with it.. IT is a ROLEPLAY server after all.. They can RolePlay however they wish to spin it....
If You wish to bring your Kusari Gunboat in the Middle of the system, ( And IF You got the ZOI).. DO IT ! Rp Your reasons.... Don't say there can be no reason.... You can make some or the other good reason.. Who is Stopping you.. There is a War Going on in Your ZOI and you cannot participate? Who's stopping you....
"You guys want me to "crea..." You're talking about this thing and comparing it with the fact that I also actually made a Council bomber ? GO READ THE MESSAGE CAREFULLY... I was just giving an example; just so I could say that Why There should be a necessity to "create" a Char for the event... Why to force that logic on others.. People don't want to do It.. Let them not Do it.. People want to bring their OC dread coz ZOI, It's their freedom..
I created a character for the event that my decision and I don't like to force it on others by saying "This is what you SHOULD Do"... I only mentioned that so I could say that I witnessed the Maltese Fleet Approaching while flying my Council Bomber and still I wasn't really pissed about it.. I was surprised tho, I said it JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR That I WAS NOT ONE OF THE MALTESE SHIPS... And All This Argument is NOT becoz I was one of them.. Go Read the damn message again.. May be your brain will compute it this time... Don't worry If it doesn't.. It's okay Smile
TL;DR :: Just Becoz You think You can Criticize something, doesn't make you Immune to criticism and it doesn't make you right either...
Well if that was an example maybe you should write your messages more carefully so people can understand what you're actually saying as there's no indication that it was an example. Yeah I find it alright to be criticized, it is you who is using terms like "crying" or "whining" while shouting that "It's all allowed." and telling people to shut up so you don't need to apply my own words to me, that's not how logic works. And.. You can't really RP a trigger happy reckless maltese army since it wouldn't be an army then.
(04-15-2018, 06:39 PM)Inferno Wrote: I'm not reading these posts in full, but I think I know what's happening.
Keep it civil or else bad things happen.
I'm Sorry... I over-reacted in the beginning.... Won't do it again...
(04-15-2018, 06:39 PM)Domjan Wrote: Well if that was an example maybe you should write your messages more carefully so people can understand what you're actually saying as there's no indication that it was an example. Yeah I find it alright to be criticized, it is you who is using terms like "crying" or "whining" while shouting that "It's all allowed." and telling people to shut up so you don't need to apply my own words to me, that's not how logic works. And.. You can't really RP a trigger happy reckless maltese army since it wouldn't be an army then.
Yeah Right.. Sorry.. I jumped in all loud and frustrated.. That was my mistake.. Won't happen again...
But look I never was "telling people to shut up"...
You were telling people what they "Should" do and what they "shouldn't" and It isn't really your call.. You have your way of living.. other people have theirs....
Using your words against you was the best way to make you understand coz you didn't seem to read my other messages properly.. I mentioned it that It was "for the sake of example".. You must have overlooked it...
Still.. Look.. I'M SORRY OKAY?... May Be I didn't make My Points Clear enough.. And I'm SORRY for being too loud, especially in the beginning... Won't happen again...
What I'm referring to is saying "Stop whining" when I mean shut up.
Well of course I'm telling people what they "Should" do, you're doing the same thing, thats what the forums are for, its not about "w(h)inning" or anything its simple as
trying to prove my point as you're trying to prove yours, but the difference is I'm not telling you to "stop whining" and "stop crying", I am just trying to prove a point as to why is something stupid to do.
That's fine, I'm not even upset, people get angry, just try to reply without getting all worked up about it. You're just going to feel bad after it. Apology accepted , although it wasn't even necessary as its not like
I'm offended or anything, but still its a nice gesture.
(04-15-2018, 07:10 PM)Domjan Wrote: What I'm referring to is saying "Stop whining" when I mean shut up.
Well of course I'm telling people what they "Should" do, you're doing the same thing, thats what the forums are for, its not about "w(h)inning" or anything its simple as
trying to prove my point as you're trying to prove yours, but the difference is I'm not telling you to "stop whining" and "stop crying", I am just trying to prove a point as to why is something stupid to do.
That's fine, I'm not even upset, people get angry, just try to reply without getting all worked up about it. You're just going to feel bad after it. Apology accepted , although it wasn't even necessary as its not like
I'm offended or anything, but still its a nice gesture.
Stop Whining and Do It = Stop Complaining and Get It Done... ; Not "Shut Up"... Geeez...
I get ganked so many times and kept that frustration to myself... It kinda took me off when people everywhere started complaining about Outcasts flooding the system.. (not just here, everywhere i am, on skype, discord lol).... All that Frustration came out i guess.. YEAH.. I am Sorry.. Shouldn't have been impolite..
And I was more like.. How about let people do whateva they want.... Not "You should do this"
Well.. Yeah.. I wasn't very polite about it... I know..... I'm Sorry for that... Won't happen again..
We had to bomb an Outcast destroyer to death in Orkney yesterday. RP was rubbish and had nothing to do with the event at hand. For the RP to be done properly, only the factions mentioned in the event should take part. If others come in, it will all end up a jumbled mess. The best choice is to nerf Outcasts ZOI in the next update to prevent future meddling. The ZOI is ridiculously large bc it covers most of Sirius except for Rheinland, hilarious!. So, if you really need a big CAP shootout, just go to Conn.
My 2 cents.