To be perfectly honest, I can only think of one guy who knowingly switched from one char to another to bring a Sarissa to a tiny event. That particular person doesn't care for roleplay and in those cases, the Vagrant approach of things is: If it doesn't shoot us, it might be useful to throw at other people. We've been shooting plenty of Outcasts who decided to fight nomads, either those who invaded nomad space to farm nomad remains or those who openly engaged us in Delta. The other two people who frequently fly OCs are Shadow and Moony, and the former is, whether people like the kind of RP he does to back it up, certainly doing his job right. People often make fun of both of them, but there is a certain improvement happening, compared with the past.
Generally, when we see OCs in non-nomad controlled space, it's a big question of how to deal with it. We usually show interest in the Orange Child and give it the benefit of the doubt, but do they open fire at us, we will remember it.
Please bear with me that this is not what i came here for:
[14.10.2018 03:06:58] K'Hara|Taremu.: //ok, let me try to explain this because you're obviously not understanding things here
[14.10.2018 03:07:18] K'Hara|Taremu.: //Nomads are not buddy buddy with you just because you want them to be, or because you may have helped them once in the past
[14.10.2018 03:07:34] K'Hara|Taremu.: //to us, you're just like any other human, we dont see factions, we see human kind as a plague in sirius
[14.10.2018 03:07:47] K'Hara|Taremu.: //The fact is, this is nomad space, and you're out of your ZOI here
[14.10.2018 03:08:07] MNS-SHADOW: //Please, go back to disco wiki and read our ID
[14.10.2018 03:08:29] MNS-SHADOW: //Have a good look there and then speak to me again
[14.10.2018 03:08:54] K'Hara|Taremu.: //All you're doing is putting yourself in a bad place with nomads and oracles alike
[14.10.2018 03:09:23] MNS-SHADOW: //Why are you lying to me then ?
[14.10.2018 03:09:27] K'Hara|Taremu.: //lying? howso?
[14.10.2018 03:09:36] MNS-SHADOW: //Omicrons are part of our ZoI
[14.10.2018 03:10:36] K'Hara|Taremu.: //Doesnt matter, this is still nomad space, if the nomads ask you to leave you probably should, now you've got vagrants and
[14.10.2018 03:10:41] K'Hara|Taremu.: //k'hara alike pissed off at you
[14.10.2018 03:11:05] K'Hara|Taremu.: //at the very least, when they try to invite you to group to speak more cohesively, you shouldnt just drop out
[14.10.2018 03:11:31] K'Hara|Taremu.: //And then going to PM k'hara members and claim they're powergaming for defending their space? you've got a lot to learn
[14.10.2018 03:11:50] MNS-SHADOW: //What are you talking about
[14.10.2018 03:11:53] K'Hara|Taremu.: //outcasts are no different than order or core or zoners or anyone else to us out here
[14.10.2018 03:11:58] K'Hara|Taremu.: //stop acting privileged, you arent
[14.10.2018 03:12:16] MNS-SHADOW: //*Smiles*
[14.10.2018 03:12:31] MNS-SHADOW: //Your saltyness has no power over here
There was no further response
~The eyes that only see prey. An instinct to act on~
~The bloodlust and it’s just, Not enough... Not enough.~
~But that’s the chain of command, And now we know we must not hide~
[14.10.2018 00:16:55] MNS-SHADOW: ~Elune, get your mind in the right position~
[14.10.2018 00:17:12] MNS-SHADOW: ~I was among those which welcomed K'Hara to Malta~
[14.10.2018 00:17:21] MNS-SHADOW: ~Stop your nonsense~
[14.10.2018 00:18:49] MNS-SHADOW: ~Lies and deceit my friend. I came here to remember what i used to believe in and soak in the darkness that shrouded me~
[14.10.2018 00:19:32] MNS-SHADOW: ~No~
[14.10.2018 00:20:06] MNS-SHADOW: ~I've welcomed the Greater Elder and Elder around Malta. I'm just sad because of other things.... *sniffs*~
[14.10.2018 00:20:35] K'Hara|Taremu.: ***'Swim' back to 'your' spaces***
[14.10.2018 00:21:20] K'Hara|Taremu.: ***'darklings' unwelcome in 'our' spaces***
[14.10.2018 00:21:57] MNS-SHADOW: ~My space is closer to your space, just like right now. You just want me to leave this system~
[14.10.2018 00:22:40] K'Hara|Taremu.: ***'yours' are (dark) here***
[14.10.2018 00:23:19] MNS-SHADOW: ~Stop being purposely hostile~
[14.10.2018 00:23:55] MNS-SHADOW: ~I came here to remind myself of some old days~
[14.10.2018 00:24:29] K'Hara|Taremu.: ***Another 'difference'... 'ours' recall all... before 'steel-skins' ... before (darkness)***
[14.10.2018 00:26:15] MNS-SHADOW: ~I have no idea what you mean by that~
[14.10.2018 00:26:19] MNS-SHADOW: *sniffs*
[14.10.2018 00:26:31] K'Hara|Taremu.: ***'yours' are limited... 'small' minds***
[14.10.2018 00:26:53] K'Hara|Taremu.: ***'ours' are eternal... (immortal)... 'ours' are (one)***
[14.10.2018 00:28:15] MNS-SHADOW: ~I understand your problem. You have no power over our minds. And since you're all connected, it's easier to controll-
[14.10.2018 00:28:21] MNS-SHADOW: -one another~
[14.10.2018 00:29:26] MNS-SHADOW: ~I'm always open to increase my knowledge~
[14.10.2018 00:30:10] MNS-SHADOW: *sniffs*
[14.10.2018 00:30:41] MNS-SHADOW: ~Good ol' cardi *sniffs again*~
[14.10.2018 00:31:20] K'Hara|Taremu.: ***'yours' (unworthy) of (orange-dream)***
[14.10.2018 00:31:37] K'Hara|Taremu.: ***'swim' back to 'your' spaces***
[14.10.2018 00:32:22] Elune: **..{trying to establish TK link with already known darkling frequency} .'ours'...remember|yours....-actions-..(joy)..**
[14.10.2018 00:32:31] MNS-SHADOW: ~*disappointed sigh* Just let it be. There's no point if you don't want to be more open~
[14.10.2018 00:32:58] MNS-SHADOW: ~Elune, i do remember you trying to force me to kill Jared Nomak~
[14.10.2018 00:33:58] MNS-SHADOW: ~Apparently i'm not welcomed among Nomads anymore. Which makes me sad...~
[14.10.2018 00:34:23] MNS-SHADOW: *frustration and sadness can be heard from his voice*
[14.10.2018 00:34:23] K'Hara|Taremu.: ***'darklings' only welcome if 'summoned'***
[14.10.2018 00:35:36] MNS-SHADOW: ~Such attitude will only result on colder relations with us. For all what i worked for, i hoped for feeling more warmth-
[14.10.2018 00:35:42] MNS-SHADOW: -from you~
[14.10.2018 00:39:02] MNS-SHADOW: ~My friend, the problem is that entire Sirius was probably meant for you. There's nowhere else i can go-
[14.10.2018 00:39:08] MNS-SHADOW: -that is not your space~
[14.10.2018 00:39:34] MNS-SHADOW: *sniffs*
[14.10.2018 00:40:50] MNS-SHADOW: ~My understanding is based on what the light has told us~
[14.10.2018 00:41:12] K'Hara|Taremu.: ***'yours' have been (misguided)***
[14.10.2018 00:42:46] MNS-SHADOW: ~Elders light was bright around Malta~
[14.10.2018 00:43:23] MNS-SHADOW: ~Saturnia made things clear. Unlike you~
[14.10.2018 00:43:56] /invite mns-shadow
[14.10.2018 00:44:09] MNS-SHADOW: //Yes?
[14.10.2018 00:44:28] K'Hara|Taremu.: (A painful spike as you are connected to the Nomads directly)
[14.10.2018 00:44:41] K'Hara|Taremu.: (you see images of Malta, flowing orange fields)
[14.10.2018 00:45:31] K'Hara|Taremu.: (A disembodied orb of light appears above the grass and speaks to your mind)
[14.10.2018 00:45:47] K'Hara|Taremu.: "In this way perhaps we can make yours understand"
[14.10.2018 00:46:05] K'Hara|Taremu.: "We feel you have been misguided, we know not who instructed you to be this way"
[14.10.2018 00:46:46] K'Hara|Taremu.: "Yours have overstepped their boundaries. These spaces belong to ours, and we are protective of them"
[14.10.2018 00:47:16] K'Hara|Taremu.: "Do yours reach understanding?"
[14.10.2018 00:47:53] MNS-SHADOW: ~You don't understand either~
[14.10.2018 00:48:17] K'Hara|Taremu.: "It is unwise to question ours, we are the keepers, yours intrude. We will allow yours to explain"
(MNS-SHADOW Leaves Group)
[14.10.2018 00:50:02] Elune: {sending visual transmission to K'Hara ,a scene of Shadow's contribute to nomads} ..'Darkling'...allegiance...~questionable~
[14.10.2018 00:50:57] Elune: {transmitting a battleplan of using human warships for mindshare use to K'Hara}..'Yours'....-chose-...**
[14.10.2018 00:53:21] Elune: {charging TK energy}- Nomad tries to refresh the memory of hallucinogen voice inside Shadow's commander head**
[14.10.2018 00:53:55] Elune: {in case of successful recived telepathic information you hear the voice that spoke to you in Kappa} "You were told it will
[14.10.2018 00:53:59] Elune: come to thiss".**
[14.10.2018 00:55:25] MNS-SHADOW: (Back to Elune) ~We know that for many Nomads we're just toys~
[14.10.2018 00:58:04] MNS-SHADOW: ~We will stay friendly, untill the day you decide to fire upon us~
[14.10.2018 00:58:17] Elune: {elune shows a flash of post nomad war scenario in nomad home systems } "We will never forget that invasion
[14.10.2018 00:58:48] Elune: "Surrender to the Elder light or begone "...{end ot telepathic link}..**
[14.10.2018 00:59:21] MNS-SHADOW: ~So you found me~
[14.10.2018 00:59:35] Vagrant.Melia: "The Bretheren express their intolerance."
[14.10.2018 01:00:08] MNS-SHADOW: ~*sad voice* If you're here to threaten me, the leave me. I have already enough of this *tear on his face*~
[14.10.2018 01:01:49] MNS-SHADOW: ~Melia *pauses* The light seem to be abandoning us~
[14.10.2018 01:04:36] MNS-SHADOW: ~Too bad i saw you~
[14.10.2018 01:05:33] K'Hara|Taremu.: ***'ours' will thought-send (oracles) ... convey 'disappointment'***
[14.10.2018 01:05:57] MNS-SHADOW: ~Be my guest in your hunt for our lives~
[14.10.2018 01:06:09] K'Hara|Taremu.: ***'yours' are not ready***
[14.10.2018 01:06:29] MNS-SHADOW: ~You're showing hostile intentions~
[14.10.2018 01:06:44] MNS-SHADOW: ~This "you" talk is just so wrong...~
Well, i'm not going to speak with you here unless you calm your hot tits and opinions down to some manageable level at which we can speak like normal people, rather than forcing your opinion upon me.
~The eyes that only see prey. An instinct to act on~
~The bloodlust and it’s just, Not enough... Not enough.~
~But that’s the chain of command, And now we know we must not hide~
I'm perfectly calm, you just seem to not understand that you're not welcome in nomad space - no human is, without prior invitation by the nomads.
You need to realize that we do not see you as an outcast or a cardamine huffer or whatever you want us to see when you come strolling into our territory: we see you as a human, and humans are a corruption to be purged.
But, instead of actually trying to Talk with us, and listen, you decided you were just going to run away and rant at us from the safety of the map borders. You could've talked to us, we would've let you leave peacefully, none of us had any intention of blowing you up if you had complied, but you powergamed the hell out of the whole situation. You've left the K'Hara, Vagrants, and an Indy nomad with a sour taste in their mouths after dealing with your poor excuse for RP.
(10-14-2018, 02:56 AM)StDH Wrote: Thank you for revealing it's you Tenacity.
Well, i'm not going to speak with you here unless you calm your hot tits and opinions down to some manageable level at which we can speak like normal people, rather than forcing your opinion upon me.
After reading both logs given..... what? Especially with that last phrase you ended on? You don't want Tenacity's opinion forced on you. Alright, cool. Yet, you want your opinion should be forced on Tenacity?
"Thanks for revealing it's you Tenacity" .... wait, was that a secret before or something?
On to the OOC bit that you posted:
Quote:[14.10.2018 03:08:07] MNS-SHADOW: //Please, go back to disco wiki and read our ID
Alright, so your ZOI includes the Omicrons. Technically Tenacity was wrong with the "Out of your ZOI" statement. However, think about it from a different point of view:
"Some Outcasts are known to revere the Nomads" -- This can be admiration, respect, or both. However, even with this, it doesn't mean the feeling has to be mutual. Especially when something is revered (ie: Nomads) they would generally avoid anything that may be disrespectful to that something.
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Nothing in life is black and white and neither is the Outcasts-Nomads relation. I'm surprised people still go for "they must be worshiping them!" or "they must shoot them!" while the reality is too grey to make such a bold statement. Long history as well as status quo have show exactly that - there are Outcasts who shoot Nomads, those who worship them, those who ignore them, those who tolerate them and those who don't like them but don't shoot them either.
There've been many Outcast factions throughout history and they all had different stances on the matter, but if you're going to debate which one makes the least sense then it's definitely openly shooting any Nomad you see on sight. Why? Because there's a strong faction at your border that isn't interested in shooting you unless provoked, and suddenly you do it anyways for no benefit? Where's the logic in that? I get it, it's a game, but if you immerse yourself inRP fully think of how terrible of a plan that is, especially when the rest of the border are all hostiles (Corsairs, CR, Gallia, GMG, Order, Core, etc.) and you don't need another enemy on a flank that's barely protected. I guess the desire to shoot yet another faction out of 10592189341254 that the Outcast ID enables is too much for some people. God forbid you do any other kind of RP with Nomads, it has to be PvP as well.
Don't get me wrong, you don't have to like them at all but do it in a smart way. NC is a great example of that - most of them don't like Nomads but understand the benefit of giving Nomads what they want to hear, while still keeping distance and not going into their affairs too much. That way they have a beneficial relationship on top of the Nomads also doing their job for them in the southeastern omicrons when it comes to cleaning up the place and maintaining Core, Order, Corsairs and whatnot in check. They understand that there's no reason to go to war with them because that not only brings no benefits but actually brings losses because people will die and ships will be lost.
Nomads on the other hand don't have to "kill every human because that's what they do". Not directly, anyways. Ingame mechanics strongly encourage that, and I'm not saying don't do it, but inRP there are other things to consider as well. Ask yourself this - why do Nomads even bother with Outcasts at all and don't treat them like any other human faction? Why do the Nomads treat Gallia differently and almost entirely ignore it? Why do they prioritize infiltrating and infecting influential people over just any human they can find to increase numbers?
Because it's not only about shooting. Nomads are too weak for a direct attack against Sirius and need to infect humans as well as spark up new conflict between humans or try to maintain existing ones. That's why Gallia is ignored by the Nomads because they're doing everything the Nomads would want them to do, and the war against Bretonia + Liberty has been progressing very slowly over the past few years. It's perfect for the Nomads. The only time they should step in is if one of the two sides starts getting a noticeable edge in which case they want to reduce their power so both sides keep crippling each other indefinitely.
Ex. we as Aoi did good progress in that regard by NEMPing Freeport 11 in 2016 (the last time the server was full with 135/135 players by the way) and blaming it on the Core, causing chaos in the Omicrons. Last year we disguised ourselves as GMG and disabled Border Station Fulda in Frankfurt which caused the whole Rheinland invasion of Sigmas that you witness right now.
Infiltrating people in a position of power is pretty self-explanatory, it offers access to many things such as ships, people, plans, etc. Just infecting a random convoy of prisoners for the sake of getting sheer numbers isn't that beneficial since the Wild has limited access to supplies that are necessary to sustain and build/acquire so many ships. They get their supplies from raiding and bringing back the loot or from very specific parties bringing them supplies in small amounts. It's nothing compared to even 1 megacorporation that every house has.
Bottom line is, there's a plan that needs to be thoroughly examined and executed if they wish (and they wish) to rule over Sirius, attacking everything directly isn't going to work. Even in Vanilla they needed help of the strongest house (Rheinland) to do their bidding by warring Liberty & Kusari and be most of the total fleet strength.
Don't get me wrong with taking such a small part of your post, read through all of it.
Quote:a faction at your border that isn't interested in shooting you unless provoked
I think this is kind of what Tenacity is trying to get at.
The preference may be to avoid attacking the Outcast(s) but if they keep stepping on toes while trying to push their idea of "Hey Noms! We buddies, love ya bro." instead of keeping their distance unless welcomed into their presence for that occasion...
~The eyes that only see prey. An instinct to act on~
~The bloodlust and it’s just, Not enough... Not enough.~
~But that’s the chain of command, And now we know we must not hide~