Discussion: Healing discovery

[Dank Vader]

I doubt I'm able to talk about any of these matters in depth, as I'm pretty new to discovery itself (I'm a vanilla veteran, but I joined discovery past november, after a 4-year-long break of freelancer in general), but I might be able to tell how things look like from the outsider's perspective. This community kind of reminds me of reddit (or even worse, 4chan). There's always drama, there's always people angry at someone else, people fighting with each other and taking things too seriously. This community will never be perfect, and I'm fine with that. Nobody's perfect. And I don't expect this place to turn into something like a kindergarten where everyone is always happy. I'll also say that my opinion about some rules and concepts of the server/community are extremely biased (against them), but won't go into it further (those that know me a wee bit better probably know what I'm talking about), I'm just saying this last piece because it might affect my overall opinion about the community so far, but I still think this place has some potential, despite its flaws.

Anyway, my point is, people need to relax and remember that this is a game. Yes, not a perfect one, but it's a game. And some find it fun, that's why they still play it and refuse to let it go. If you want to constantly fight with each other take it to 4chan. I'd also like to see more people involving in pvps, especially at connecticut, and not by playing a single round. Try approaching other players more, ask them if they'd like some pvp rounds.

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[Durandal]

I have a lot of thoughts and feelings that I'd like to express, but I am under the impression that this thread is currently considered a haven from yellow and orange names, which in and of itself says a lot about the state of things. If people are actually interested in me providing any insights here, I guess that's a thing that I could do. I just don't want to type up a heartfelt, in depth response that I put time and effort into articulating only for it to be received with, "well, you're not one of us, so your opinion isn't valid."

That's certainly a stance you can have, but it doesn't make me eager to engage in this any further than dipping my feet in the water.

[Sombs]

You've expressed yourself through your actions way enough.

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[NOVA-5]

Dipping your feet in doesn't count as a swim, come on son, lets hear it.

[Chronicron]

Storyline management (48), Staff conduct {covers options 12(41), 13(39) & 14(36)} - Reworking the dev team -entirely-, again, would be a good thing to do. By that I mean getting in people who -actually- play the game and are not biased with their certain ingame assets or relationships. Also undoing a concept of the Story Dev, leaving the story development completely up to Official Factions.

Low player count (46), General hostility from other community members (43), Poor sportsmanship (38), Elitism (44), Polarisation of PvP skill amongst players (36) - Hiring a team of un-biased skilled in PvP players who will be psychologically tested for patience and help newcomers become better in both PvP and RP (i.e. Reviving Angels, excluding elitism), also creating a separate Discord Server for these means.

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[Mark_Brown]

We could do so much better, we need to work together as a community and work constructively not against each other.

But hey USI log, cause we enjoy trading, working being pirated ext. Life of a lawful.

Gallic war must end soon, bring back local war zones like Liberty vs Rhienland or Kusari and rebuild home militaries to what they were.

Demolish 1ic syndrome and create a rule where official factions must move leaderships after x time to keep factions busy or if factions not busy or faction leaders not keeping active to be able to move them with the help of a GM.

Keeping this server alive and thriving with people means you have to log in. Watching that player list is like waiting for the lottery to be drawn. Log in and play same as the next person then the next. If two enemies watched the player log for someone decent to log, then you have just missed the opportunity to enjoy your evening on Freelancer.

Being active doesn't mean forumlancing, it means getting in the damn game, working together having a bit of fun and enjoying what Discovery has been created for.

I don't know what else to say but the voting hasn't surprised me.

Be nice, help each other, help the new guy. Be a better you today.

Bellck.

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[Thexare]

Also undoing a concept of the Story Dev, leaving the story development completely up to Official Factions.

There's several reasons I disagree with this, but the easiest one to explain is as follows:

Maquis, Council, GRP, GMS, IDF Shipping, EFL, GRI, Mollys, Blood Dragons, KSP, Kempeitai, Kishiro, Hogosha, Farmer's Alliance, RFP, Republican Shipping, Cryer.

No story dev and no official faction means they'll just be stagnant forever.

[Axel Torvals]

This is going to sound like over simplification, but everyone here needs to remember that Disco is a Game where people come to play and have FUN !

This is not a job for anyone, nobody gets promoted or gets a pay rise.

Anybody that actually takes time out of their day to help keep this community running should in some measure be commended for taking the time and effort to do so.

After playing Freelancer online on many servers from their initial inception, Disco has always impressed me with its growth and work put into it to keep it evolving and hold the interest of its players.

All that being said, I have felt jaded enough by the recent climate to leave my official faction and even consider leaving Disco entirely. The environment has become almost toxic with the amount of infighting, which has accelerated

since the last structure change at the top of the pyramid. I am not blaming devs, story writers or anyone else for this, it just seems to be the way things are just now. Some may feel jaded about passed over, I don't know....

We are a community as a whole and as such should self police better, without being shot down in flames. Elitism and ego are definitely a problem here these days which need to be addressed before progression can be made away from current paths and a new way of thinking embraced.

Make the game FUN again ! Events are great, but just the day to day every time you log on should be fun,

Freelancer is an old game now. If we want to attract new players and keep our existing ones, something has to change, kids (yeah I get to say that, I'm 45)........

[Thunderer]

At first I didn't want to reply here because I doubt this thread will have any consequence and my reply wouldn't matter whatever it was. Then I thought it would be fun to just say "ass" and leave. Or "posterior", since that is a story dev meme due to being mentioned far too often in the Discovery plot, and the story team has been working on its removal. But then I decided taking what Chronicron said out of context and refuting it would be more fun.

By that I mean getting in people who -actually- play the game and are not biased with their certain ingame assets or relationships.

Would it not be more realistic to expect of someone who does not play the game to be less biased?

leaving the story development completely up to Official Factions

Would it be realistic to expect a large group of people, most of whom hate each other, to reach an agreement, let alone reach an agreement on time? Anyone still remembers the OFL chat? Anyone survived to tell the story?

Also, since one does not need to know how to RP, let alone the history of the Discovery universe and the peculiarities of its geopolitics, nor have any writing skills whatsoever, in order to become a faction leader, nor even understand what their own faction is like either in-game or in-lore, but only that the previous leader names them the new one, while a story dev needs to be proficient in all of that, would a team of story devs not be expected to be more competent for the task than a team of faction leaders?

Additionally, are faction leaders not the most biased people in the community?



By the way, any oppression against me for being of different colour than you and I'll call you a racist.

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[Madvillain]

There's a group of about 10 or so people in this community, taking a massive dump on it and screwing it over for anyone else and I am not talking about the dev/story team.
This group is very self aware yet not available for reason. blaming the devs is easy, but in my opinion the only thing this and previous administration can be blamed for is not addressing the toxicity, allowing it to fester and overshout any good intention from either playerbase or dev side.
on that note, if you find disco to be a place where everybody is treating everybody like shit, chances are you are hanging around with the wrong people and are part of the problem.
That is why I've decided I wont spend time on those cliques anymore, there's plenty of people in them that can log on both sides of an event, and in my group of friends there's also plenty of people who can man a fight on both sides. If there are people in this community that you can't stand, then simply don't interact with them, nothing good comes out of it.
That is what Discovery has become, and that is the most enjoyable way of having things arranged now.

Because at the end of the day people come here to have fun, if people are incompatible why put them in the same room.

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