[RHA] Reputation Adjusted

[Venkman]

I wish this was handled inRP rather than like this.

So... how long will this last?

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Orex Armaments

[Dartes]

As 1ic of a Zoner faction, can you explain exactly the reason of this decision?

[Shiki]

As 1ic of a Zoner faction, can you explain exactly the reason of this decision?

Wait, so there was no conclusion among Zoner leaders? Very interesting actually.

@Champ
Based on which rules GM team is enforcing it since it's clearly cannot be FR, as one if the Zoner 1ic is unaware of this decision? Don't get me wrong, but GMs should act within the rules they enforce, not abuse power randomly like that. If Zoner OFs will have problems will RHA they would request you to do this. Zoner NFZ roles are roleplay laws, not server rules, they should come as RP consequence of respective factions decide to enforce it.

So since when GMs are enforcing inRP laws without the knowledge or consent of the factions who uphold said laws?

This precedent would allow GMs to outlaw a smuggler running to manhattan even if LPI did not spot them or decided not to enforce it in that particular case, because they see fit (?). Naturally, this is an outrageous act by the team which I condemn.

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[Shiki]

This completely breaks the system of Official Factions as representatives of their NPC factions, inRP consequences, and order of their enforcement which is written down in the rules by just doing basically what falls under FR5 without being based on any rules whatsoever just by GM decision.

I really hoped that we are done with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_of_power but it looks like we keep decide heavily.

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[Champ]

@Venkman; no longer than a month is the plan, but this is subject to change, probably towards being more brief. I believe you mean without GMs having intervened, but I would also point out that Zoners being hostile about the inRP actions [RHA] took makes more inRP sense than it being ignored.

@Dartes; given the explaining I've already done about why this was done, I'm going to need you to be more specific if you have further questions.

@Shiki; as already discussed, this is not the exercise of faction right 5. If you think I have broken a rule, you are more than welcome to lodge a report, which obviously I would not contribute to. Unlike laws IRL, GMs and Devs are not empowered by laws. Zoner OFs, as I have discussed, are not the Zoner NPC faction, despite that they represent the NPC faction. If GMs were enforcing the Zoner laws, you can imagine some mechanic to prevent firing within the NFZ. This is not an enforcement of roleplay laws, it is the implementation of reasonable, realistic, temporary and very mild roleplay consequences.

The example you've outlined is an overreach and a mis-characterisation, I think. This is a rare circumstance, and is unlikely to happen often, and was triggered by the concerning behaviour of an official faction. Zoners were aware of the incident (rather than a successful smuggler being undetected), and as outlined;

[The [RHA]] violating the well-established rules of a space station in its immediate vicinity, then docking and resupplying on it without consequence, all while attacking an adjacent establishment affiliated with the very same station, at best is incongruous, and at worst is an exploitation of game mechanics (being that NPCs can't adapt their roleplay).

If the Zoner official factions should disregard the feelings of the independent Zoners involved, and somehow entirely forgive the [RHA] for the transgression, then I'd be very curious about how they were to justify it.

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[Venkman]

Ok.

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Orex Armaments

[Shiki]

@Champ

Yeah, sure I will have a great chance by reporting a GM, give me a break Champ. We both know that is not going to happen nor I wish you to be kicked from the team in the first place even if my report would have a slight chance of passing.

The example I outlined with the smuggler is literally the same on the next step you will be able to do this. GMs enforcing RP consequences for NPC faction completely bypassing all existing rules and procedures.

And Champ, independent Zoners that you refer to are represented by Zoner OFs, people who play Zoners for years and months, not by GM brief judgment. This is the whole point of the official faction system. And this is why people who roleplay gather together, come through RP evaluation and contribution periods. As I said, this eliminates the whole chain of RP consequences starting from faction rules and then the whole process of enforcement of RP consequences.

It's just very disappointing to see, not gonna lie. Still hoping this would get reviewed because it creates really shitty precedent with GMs randomly shitting over OF heads and doing whatever they want basing on "I want that".

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[Dark_Knight]

Freeport 1 is OSI Freeport so ultimately, as another Zoner OFL it should be up to them imo.

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Characters

Character	Faction	Ship/s
Sun Koken	Zoner Administrator of FP9	Bodhi, Sun.Koken
Max	Phoenix Member	(\^/)|Nyx, (\^/)|Soteria
Parthenope	Vagrants	Vagrant.Parthenope
Irina Kuzmivna	Zoner Independent News	ZIN|Irina.Kuzmivna

[Groshyr]

Why in the brave new Disco you have consequences before actual RP?

[MasterL410]

The leader of OSI, who are the admins of Freeport 1, was present during the siege. If he wanted to have consequences for the Hessians, he would've sent a comm and/or filed a FR5. Your GM work is not needed here.