[RHA] Reputation Adjusted

[Dhomie42]

So the next time I want to build a POB in house-space I don't have to follow the law and pay the fees because this is NPC-law? Interesting.

No one has to pay fees and follow the laws, I think that is rather obvious, however by not doing so, you are promt to consequences by law enforcement factions.

I have no idea what makes you think those are NPC-laws. Those are laws that law enforcement players can enforce according to their IDs. Houses that have lawful OFs can edit these laws with the approval of GMs, in some cases, like for Liberty, House lawful OFs represent the government when it comes to laws and alike, LibGov's members are from =LSF=, 5th|, [LN], LPI-, and other OFs, like LibCorporations (quite lore-friendly, considering that even corporations are involved) this is due to the fact that there is more than 1 Liberty lawful OF.

Edit: You haven't edited your post yet when I was writing mine, so I didn't notice that remark.

[Shiki]

NPC-law

What is NPC-law, exactly? Could you clarify, please? NFZ is part of the regulations made by Zoner Official Faction and enforced by Zoner official factions. This is player roleplay, made by player factions, approved by Admin/GM team. Faction rights are the tools to enforce it, including FR5. But it's a faction right, not someone else's and it's OF factions choice whatever do something or not do something about it.

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[Busy Miner]

So the next time I want to build a POB in house-space I don't have to follow the law and pay the fees because this is NPC-law? Interesting.

No one has to pay fees and follow the laws, I think that is rather obvious, however by not doing so, you are promt to consequences by law enforcement factions.

I have no idea what makes you think those are NPC-laws. Those are laws that law enforcement players can enforce according to their IDs. Houses that have lawful OFs can edit these laws with the approval of GMs, in some cases, like for Liberty, House lawful OFs represent the government when it comes to laws and alike, LibGov's members are from =LSF=, 5th|, [LN], LPI-, and other OFs, like LibCorporations (quite lore-friendly, considering that even corporations are involved) this is due to the fact that there is more than 1 Liberty lawful OF.

Have you read the passage I was referring to? (added Exaggeration remark) Of course these are laws, and every indy, not just official faction member can enforce them according to their ID, even Zoners.

[Shiki]

So the next time I want to build a POB in house-space I don't have to follow the law and pay the fees because this is NPC-law? Interesting.

No one has to pay fees and follow the laws, I think that is rather obvious, however by not doing so, you are promt to consequences by law enforcement factions.

I have no idea what makes you think those are NPC-laws. Those are laws that law enforcement players can enforce according to their IDs. Houses that have lawful OFs can edit these laws with the approval of GMs, in some cases, like for Liberty, House lawful OFs represent the government when it comes to laws and alike, LibGov's members are from =LSF=, 5th|, [LN], LPI-, and other OFs, like LibCorporations (quite lore-friendly, considering that even corporations are involved) this is due to the fact that there is more than 1 Liberty lawful OF.

Have you read the passage I was referring to? (added Exaggeration remark) Of course these are laws, and every indy, not just official faction member can enforce them according to their ID, even Zoners.

No indies cannot enforce NFZ.

Zoners are civilians who have rejected house rule. They are usually isolationists, and prefer to live outside of house borders, unburdened by house laws. They generally welcome both lawful and unlawful factions, trading freely between them. Zoners avoid conflict when possible, however this does not exempt Zoners from piracy by many unlawful factions.

Pilot carrying this quasi-lawful ID is a Zoner, who:

- Can attack any ship in self-defense, to protect another Zoner ship except Zoner Militant ships, or in defense of Zoner bases except Carrier Tarrafal.

- Cannot dock Cruisers or Battleships on any base within House Sovereign Space.

- Cannot dock Transports with more than 3,600 cargo on any base within House Sovereign Space.

- Can assist Velvet and OSI in enforcing Zoner regulations while under their supervision.

- Cannot participate in unlawful actions except as described above.

Allowed ships: Fighters, Freighters, Transports, Gunboats, Cruisers, Battleships

While for example Velvet ID can.

A pilot with this ID is considered part of the Velvet Organisation. They are a dedicated group who are either from a Zoner background, or who have bonded under Velvet banner to ensure the safety and freedom of the free people of the Zoner Community. To achieve their goals, they use a more militaristic style approach, rather than the more diplomatic one more akin to the Zoner Community.

Pilot carrying this quasi-lawful ID is a member of the Velvet Organisation, who:

- Can defend Zoners and Zoner bases anywhere.

- Can engage any ships, except Transports, hostile to the Zoners in Systems containing Zoner assets.

- Can enforce Zoner regulations within the No Fire Zones of Zoner Bases.

- Can attack any Nomad Vessels and their known symathisers anywhere.

- Cannot dock on non-Zoner Bases

- Can take on Bounty Contracts only against enemies of the Velvet Organisation.

- Cannot participate in unlawful actions except as described above.

- Zone Of Influence: Omicrons, Sigmas, Taus, Omegas, systems containing Zoner bases.

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[Busy Miner]

NPC-law

What is NPC-law, exactly? Could you clarify, please? NFZ is part of the regulations made by Zoner Official Faction and enforced by Zoner official factions. This is player roleplay, made by player factions, approved by Admin/GM team. Faction rights are the tools to enforce it, including FR5. But it's a faction right, not someone else's and it's OF factions choice whatever do something or not do something about it.

Afaik the law can even be represented by indies. In the Zoner law there is nothing that states you need an official badge to uphold said was, and the Zoner ID doesn't either.

PS: ok, seems I was wrong about the NFZ.

<the entire post> ~Champ

Ok, seems I was wrong about the NFZ. But the passage about protecting zoner bases is actually included in the indy-badge. And an OSI was present, I don't know if in-game RP occurred, but if not this would be pretty shady.

[dr lameos]

It's an RP server. Maybe the Zoners got bribed by the RHA to look away. Maybe it was an illegal PoB by Zoner laws and the RHA did the dirty work for them. Who knows?

It's an RP server. Maybe that did happen but there is no RP to support any such theories.
From the sounds of it this was OORP abuse of the game mechanics by RHA and rather than being sanctioned for it there is an RP consequence.

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[Wesker]

As OSI leadership i subscribe the words of @Master L

Also i really frown on the staff meddling with something that should be OF turf that's why FR5 exists

Nothing else will be added

I noticed that the Hessians are a bit more than neutral to the regular Zoner ID, I don't know how the relation between OSI and RHA are. But to be the leader of said faction, and not RPing after a fleet of RHA cap ship waltzes into your No-Fire-Zone and destroys a Zoner(-protected?) base, right in front of your eyes, is a bit squalid. Maybe your faction deserves a new leader.

Do you have any idea how much of an idiot you sound like arguing for zoner laws and law enforcement.

Zoner laws and law enforcement make absolutely no sense on this server.

[Venkman]

It's an RP server. Maybe the Zoners got bribed by the RHA to look away. Maybe it was an illegal PoB by Zoner laws and the RHA did the dirty work for them. Who knows?

but there is no RP to support any such theories.

Oh really? Well in that case, where's the RP for the "FR5" then? Oh right... there is none.

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[Havok]

This isn't a sanction relating to a violation of the rules. It is an adjustment that has been made to try to increase congruity in roleplay. Nobody has to feel bad about this happening. Feedback is absolutely welcome, so long as it is civil. Yes, I am demanding civility, because this is a space game and I made a single faction which is quite impotent NPC-wise angry with you.

In line with this quote from the original Post, I am reminding all parties to keep discussion and feedback civilized and relevant to the original post of the thread. Any further discussion beyond that, please start a thread in the General Discussions subforum.

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[HrabCOrp]

Yeah, it is darn strange, to say the least, that there is no proper reaction from any Zoner faction about this incident.

We will though not allow ourselves to be pushed around or over, due to those who deem us weak or without defenses.

Now it makes me grin.
So, I wanna ask: "Oh, really? As far as I can see Zoners were punched in their faces and what?" Well, nothing. Nothing at all. Bouncing "around or over" like a ball.

Law 2a - broken. Law 3 - broken. Law 4 - broken. Time to apply the Law 6, but... <Error 404 - Response not found>. Why do we need those then if no one wants to enforce the ZFN rules? That leads to another question: why do we need Zoner official factions if they don't do their job? if they don't protect the interests of Zoners?

7. No base or other installation may be built within 15k of any ZFN claimed space without expressed approval from members of the Freeport Network.

A) Pre-approved installations are the exception to this rule

Yes, maybe OoD has broken that law. But maybe it was 7a. I am not the one to answer this question.

Zoner laws and law enforcement make absolutely no sense on this server.

Zoner Freeport laws do make sense. Zoners are a community, a big one. They own a large chunk of space stations, all are +- independent, perhaps with their own slightly different set of rules. Still, they all identify themselves as Zoner Stations, as Zoners, as a part of the big community, of the Network. You need rules to regulate the whole system, to keep it a safe and peaceful environment for those who consider themselves a Zoner.

I support this action. At least some kind of logical reaction follows the violations. Maybe it's still possible to do it in Forumlancer way, but, again, we have no adequate response.

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