Jinx, you're still posting under the assumption the Outcasts and Keepers were actively grouping and raiding together today. Which we weren't. The Keepers tagged along probably because they knew we'd lead them to nice juicy humans.
We don't want to announce a higher level of co-operation, because it doesn't exist. We are not allies with the Keepers. They are using us. It just so happens that we revere them as Guardians of our Afterlife and as such will protect them to the best of our ability. We have no say in where they move or what they do, if they wish to follow us on a raid, we are not going to tell the spirits we practically worship to bugger off back home, and they know they've got to travel further than Alpha to get to juicy juicy humans, and they would probably also know that if a large fleet of Outcasts is gathered, then a large fleet of other edible humans are probably going to show up sometime, so it'd make sense if they hung around.
Just to clarify, again, we are not an alliance of any sort. We do not even have a mutual agreement, we are just intricately linked through Outcast tradition and Nomad ambitions.
*Edit* Oh, and I don't want to sound overly defensive or accusatory, but why all these questions about the Nomad/OC connection, but none about the Harvester/Corsair one? Seeing as this was started by a Corsair I'd like to see if this topic is all a little hypocritical.
A cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin.
~H. L. Mencken
Quote:*Edit* Oh, and I don't want to sound overly defensive or accusatory, but why all these questions about the Nomad/OC connection, but none about the Harvester/Corsair one? Seeing as this was started by a Corsair I'd like to see if this topic is all a little hypocritical.
The big difference is, Nomads started as enemies of humanity, hostile to all.
Harvesters weren't hostile to all, they changed their diplomacy over time.
And they are friendly with the Corsairs only because of the mutual goal - Outcasts.
Corsairs don't like them, but they could use a hand against Outcasts.
And on the other side, Nomads started as hostile to all. They hunt Order, Outcasts don't even see Order, ever.
So much for the mutual goals.
Also, Harvesters aren't Terrorists, Nomads practically are.
Anyway, I'm not defending Harvester-Corsair alliance here, just making a difference.
It wasn't my call to accept them as friends, and I don't really know if I'd support it if I was to ask.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
I see your point, but I disagree in terms of goals. Whilst there are no directly mutual ambitions, both OC and the Nomads can gain something from being 'neutral'. For Outcasts, as I have said, it's the reverance of 'higher beings', and for Nomads its little pawns with which to help reach their diabolical ends (>.>), whether that be through following us to raids to reach human targets, or using us as a buffer zone to protect Omicron 90.
Anyway, to conclude, I think it's unnecessary to examine a neutral state such as this when you have so many other diplomatic loose ends around. Why discuss this one in particular? Is it just because the Outcasts happened to win in Gamma today? I don't know, I'm not accusing anyone of anything but it seems slightly irrelevant when there is a clear RP basis for the neutrality.
Don't think there's anything left for me to say, so I'll stop posting now. I don't think this discussion can go any further.
A cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin.
~H. L. Mencken
Yep...don't see anything wrong with the RP on this neutrality...just so long as there is no battle planning (of course RP planning is fine) going on between the two factions b/c that would indicate an alliance.
No, actually, the thread was opened by a man who didn't even fight.
And as far as I'm concerned, you didn't win, since I doubt your 'goals' were fulfilled, to be honest.
Me dead being one of them;)
In terms of pure PVP, yes, you did.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
' Wrote:Yep...don't see anything wrong with the RP on this neutrality...just so long as there is no battle planning (of course RP planning is fine) going on between the two factions b/c that would indicate an alliance.
Which there isn't. Excellent, glad that's sorted.
' Wrote:No, actually, the thread was opened by a man who didn't even fight.
And as far as I'm concerned, you didn't win, since I doubt your 'goals' were fulfilled, to be honest.
Me dead being one of them;)
In terms of pure PVP, yes, you did.
Good point, good point. You slippery bastard, my arm still hurts from all that useless aiming. :laugh:
Ahh why am I still posting here! What's said is said and that's all. No more from me here. :huh:
A cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin.
~H. L. Mencken
Well although its probably pointless to try and convince people in something other than their own belief, I shall try to do so. On the forums here there have always been two camps, one for and one against the Keepers, its quite clear in which one I am, and both camps have their hotheads which tend to be far too arrogant and sure in their belief that they're right, these are extremely hard to convince otherwise. But let's see what happens, okay...Now first, to explain, or well try to explain the Keeper point of view a bit here, at least mine, the Outcasts are indeed treated as pawns, carefully manipulated and controlled in a manner that is suitable to the Nomads. Infesting an entire subspecies of humans is frankly a waste of resources if you can control them by not doing it as well. They revere the nomads and admire them, while fearing them at the same time, and considering the nomads are highly intelligent they can see the benefits in this. Using the outcasts to shield their flank for as long as they can sounds like a sensible enough plan by the one race that is hostile to every other human in Sirius, ain't it? Until now they mainly just infested humans and used those to start wars, invoke major changes and who knows what else. Now they've taken it one step further, they found a way to manipulate a subspecies into obeying them so to speak, without infestation, or maybe not? Who is to say that some of the high ranking outcast dons aren't infested, and that its the nomads that started all this "Spirits" mumbo jumbo. Its all a possibility and there are tons of ways to explain this besides complaints, just broaden your horizons a bit past the part where you like to whine. Manipulation, deceit and control is the agenda of the Keepers in this, exploiting what can be exploited in the Outcasts, their blind belief has brought them to this point where they are being totally controlled without even knowledge of it. As for the attack the Keepers helped them with well.."You scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours" comes to mind, considering they're not infesting all of the outcasts, control and trust must be maintained, what better way than to show them a deed or two, perhaps a military assistance once or twice, that was the nomads ensure they keep the blind trust the outcasts have, for little or no cost whatsoever. If you have any sensible questions, I'll be more than happy to answer them so please do comment.
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