are you kiddin me?

[Tic]

Yea.

I see no reason to attack a guy at lvl 26, unless he attacks you.

[blubba]

In a system owned by a faction.
Who owns Omi Minor?
How about Alaska?
What about Major or Omi-90?

Whilst I agree that in a 'system owned by a faction', you are free to engage (though on a personal note, unless you belong to that faction, I don't believe you should, even with 'permission'), you have clearly admitted to using cruise to catch him up.
That in itself is a rule infraction.
The line above is rule lawyering...
Where does it end?

He is below level. Saying that people use this as an excuse is poor RP. If you see a guy in starflier, don't fly up to him in a VHF and threaten him (I'm not saying you did by the way Tenacity). Thats awful RP. Especially as you have no grounds (he's underlevel) and you could kill him easily. Thats what bullies do. At that level, he can't touch you or even effect you. Maybe he didn't attempt to RP with you because really, he can't interract with you anyway. Maybe he knew his limitations better than you?
Just a thought there, don't bite me.
The under level thing is there to protect new players from people like that. Even if he is an old hand, would you jeopordise the new players because some experienced player passed you by using that rule?
Are we all so self important that when an under level character ignores/doesn't RP with you that you must seek retribution?
Remember that we were all new once and let it go.
And as for trying to RP an excuse, I find that even more reprehensible, especially from someone who is an old hand himself at this.

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[n00bl3t]

Who owns Omi Minor?
How about Alaska?
What about Major or Omi-90?

Alaska is unable to be owned. I am guessing the same with Major, 90 and Minor in the Omicrons.

Omicron 100 is owned by the Bs|.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Fellow Hoodlum]

May I humbly suggest, some of you go and read the rules occasionally, and spend a little less time
spamming flood. Just an observation ...

Hood

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Some say he is a proud member of: "The most paranoid group of people in the Community."

[Baltar]

Well well well ... Here's an example of how factions take ownership of their guard system and translate it to all their ZoI systems. Alaska, Minor, Major are not Bs| turf but folks are arguing to kill everything that's not Order in those areas.

As the rule quoted states ... most PVP type rules are less limiting in "guard systems" ... take this to the discussion regarding the admin announcement on factions forcing role play on everyone else. ALSO ... the rule regarding "systems owned" being less limiting on PVP ... you are not Bs| so you should be shot for being in Bs| turf. If you are not a member of the faction that owns the system, you need to remain silent on this. Don't be a self-righteous bully. I've got no problem with anyone being an Order vessel protecting their turf (for role play) ... but when server rules regarding system ownership come into play ... non-faction players don't exactly fit the bill. You wanna argue defense of a guard system ... join the faction that owns it. Otherwise you're complaints mean nothing.

[Robert.Fitzgerald]

4.3 Factions are free to restrict or not restrict access to their home systems and tax players who enter home system. Access to systems that surround home system must not be restricted unless there's a war with another faction.

6.7 All PvP/RP rules listed below in section 6 are void in the following situations:

- Self-defense - level 30 limit is not active;
- Attacker and defender belong to two NPC factions that are at war (Kusari vs Bretonia, Outcasts vs Corsairs, House vs local pirates) - level 30 limit is active;
- Attacker and defender belong to two server factions that are at war (officially declared) - level 30 limit is active.
- In systems belonging to server factions and in Connecticut - level 30 limit is not active;

According to the rules, it doesn't say anywhere that non-faction people can't enforce a player-owned Guard System. If the Bs| allow indies to help, then the server rules don't prohibit them. Plus, the first bolded section suggests the Bs| can control the surrounding systems, as they are at war with Keepers and [Core] (I think).

Plus, an interesting note: the level 30 limit isn't active in guard systems, for any sides according to the rules. So a faction member being set up (<30) could be ganked by an intruder.

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[Baltar]

According to the rules, it doesn't say anywhere that non-faction people can't enforce a player-owned Guard System. If the Bs| allow indies to help, then the server rules don't prohibit them. Plus, the first bolded section suggests the Bs| can control the surrounding systems, as they are at war with Keepers and [Core] (I think). Sorry Baltar =/

That bold statement applies to interaction between Bs| and the Keepers ... cannot extend this to others. That statement applies to those actually at war with one another. Sorry ... Bs| can restrict Keepers and Keeper allies ... other than that ... you've got nothing to stand on. Sorry Robert.

As for indies ... this rules specifically says "factions are free to restrict or not restrict access to their home systems ..." It does NOT say "non-faction indies are free to restrict or not restrict access to their allies home system ..." Sorry again Robert.

Plus, an interesting note: the level 30 limit isn't active in guard systems, for any sides according to the rules. So a faction member being set up (<30) could be ganked by an intruder.

Not arguing this point ... except that you gotta be an actual member of the faction to enforce the faction rules. If a faction allow non-faction indies to do their dirty work then ...

4.8 Sanctions for violating faction rules, including out-of-RP behaviour, may be applied to the whole faction as well as a certain player. This may happen if a large part of the faction is violating the rules specified, and if the leader(s) of the faction endorse the violations committed by players, ignore the warnings and do not attempt to improve the situation, or violate rules themselves. Sanctions for a faction include credit/equipment fine and placing inside the prison system for all characters or part of characters belonging to a faction.

So ... what this rule is saying is that the leader of Bs| is responsible for all Bs| members as well as all indies he "endorses." If an endorsed indie goes out of bounds, the entire faction could be sanctioned.

Problem is ... most indies are uber-classed cap ships that go beyond what the faction was given permission to have as an "official faction." Remember ... being an official faction places limits on the number of capships you can have in the faction. By being a non-faction member you are basically skirting this limitation ... especially if the faction leader knows about this and endorses you being there.

Bottom line ... you are putting the faction in jeopardy. The faction CAN be sanctioned as a whole for the actions of independents.

[Robert.Fitzgerald]

Actually, the bolded part doesn't say anything about it being just between the warring factions. It's ambiguous, so sadly people will interpret it differently.

While the rules may say "factions can restrict or not restrict..." it does not mention that independents cannot be allowed by the faction to help out. Again, ambiguous. Can a mercenary on contract help a faction defend their home system? The rules aren't clear on this.

Overall, admin clarification plz.

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[Cellulanus]

He is below level. Saying that people use this as an excuse is poor RP. If you see a guy in starflier, don't fly up to him in a VHF and threaten him (I'm not saying you did by the way Tenacity). Thats awful RP. Especially as you have no grounds (he's underlevel) and you could kill him easily. Thats what bullies do. At that level, he can't touch you or even effect you. Maybe he didn't attempt to RP with you because really, he can't interract with you anyway. Maybe he knew his limitations better than you?

Have you ever tried to kill a starfea? As a guy that survived a battle against a Slipstream and a transport for 15-29 minutes in a starflea I can say it is not easy.

[Dantrithor]

Have you ever tried to kill a starfea? As a guy that survived a battle against a Slipstream and a transport for 15-29 minutes in a starflea I can say it is not easy.

You can kill him with CD's, without shooting your guns once.

Well well well ... Here's an example of how factions take ownership of their guard system and translate it to all their ZoI systems. Alaska, Minor, Major are not Bs| turf but folks are arguing to kill everything that's not Order in those areas.

Actually, it's navy and LSF who kills anything not allowed in Alaska, including order, as justified by the infocard of Z21 which applies directly to Alaska (as it's not supposed to be leading to anywhere in vanilla)

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