are you kiddin me?

[Baltar]

Actually, the bolded part doesn't say anything about it being just between the warring factions. It's ambiguous, so sadly people will interpret it differently.

Well ... try this rule ...

3.5 Attempts to pose as admins, threatening players with sanctions, attempts to interpret rules are not allowed. Applying to admin's name without prior consent of the admin is not allowed.

While the rules may say "factions can restrict or not restrict..." it does not mention that independents cannot be allowed by the faction to help out. Can a mercenary on contract help a faction defend their home system? The rules aren't clear on this.

Overall, admin clarification plz.

Quite true ... the rule does not say that indies cannot help ... BUT BUT BUT ... if you read the rule I quoted above ... it is the faction leader's responsibility (in this case Bs|) to ensure they act appropriately. And if the faction leader permits someone (an indie or merc) act outside the bounds of faction created laws ... then the entire faction can be sanctioned.

Remember what happened a while back when Liberty indies were doing their own thing. SA/LSF got a big slap on the wrist by admins for allowing the indies to do their job for them. As a result, Liberty faction leadership have taken steps to reduce the indie population so as to control the out-of-control situation the indies created.

Being an indie does not equate to you having the full power of the faction that owns the system. There's a reason for factions and system ownership. Indies are outsiders that are given the privilege to "help out" only at the authority of faction leader. For a faction to permit dozens of indies to do their job is a bit of an abuse. Factions have capship limits and indies violate that limitation because they claim independent status.

If indies are going to be working for the faction ... they must be restricted on ships and rank just as the faction itself is ... otherwise we end up with more problems.

And Tenacity ... why don't you just join Bs|? Geez ...

[Baltar]

You can kill him with CD's, without shooting your guns once. Actually, it's navy and LSF who kills anything not allowed in Alaska, including order, as justified by the infocard of Z21 which applies directly to Alaska (as it's not supposed to be leading to anywhere in vanilla)

I wasn't speaking specifically of Alaska. I'm talking about outside Virginia as a whole. Virginia is the guard system ... not Alaska.

[MB52]

Very similar to a situation I had yesterday. Some "press" ships were buzzing around z21 in camera ships. But were using Civy IDs and were under level... now they were trying to RP as reporters.. but were using the under level thing to be immune from being shot on sight..

I asked an Admin about it and he wasn't sure about it, so we just stuck with verbally threatening them for the time being.

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I’ll carry this flag
To the grave if I must
Because it’s flag that I love
And a flag that I trust

[stewcool]

Someone asked about minor and 100 being owned.


Bs| owns 100 and they have full control over Minor. (Admin approved)

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[Fellow Hoodlum]

mb52, I happen to know, you were told specifically not to shoot it. It was level 22 ...

Hood

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Some say he is a proud member of: "The most paranoid group of people in the Community."

[gafwmn]

Ok..simple rule of thumb that works well for me.

1.If under level 30,ignore them..try to rp a little to see if they bite....some do,some dont.

2.If over level 30 and under level 40,get close enough to scan while rp'ing,then make decision what to do with them after scanning.

For me,if its under 40 with a civ id.....ignore
over 30 with a faction id...games on.

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[pchwang]

Guys, unless he has a different ID than the Civvie ID mounted, any person under level 40 is invisible to the RPing community. You ignore them, more or less, unless they are RPing and genuinely trying to do something interesting on the server.

In this case, they were simply trying to make their way through the system...ignore them.

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[7:42:05 PM][6:51:36 PM] Igor (Smokey): btw terry
[6:51:48 PM] Terrance Cooper: Ye?
[6:52:00 PM] Igor (Smokey): nothin
[6:52:03 PM] Igor (Smokey): just sayin btw
[6:52:05 PM] Terrance Cooper: <_<

Johnny_Haas: you shot anti criuse speed rockets!!!
Johnny_Haas: but why????
Johnny_Haas: ??
Johnny_Haas: why you shoot criuse speed rockets?

[jpo]

I gotta be the devils adovocate here.

Tenacity's right. If you enter a guard system, someone elses system, and you're neutral, you're going to get hounded.

Camera ship or not.

~Leo

Hounded = you deserve it.

Fired upon = against server rules.

Big difference. If he was above 40 it would be fair game.

A cd would normally kill a l26 in a gaurd system as they would drop out of cruise and be fired upon by the gaurds. This is an attemt to circumvent the rules by causing a death inadvertantly, however it has been ruled that firing a cd is considered engaging. Therefore you awere wrong.

Now, not to be one sided was he (she?) wrong? Yes. But the consequences are much different when you are under l40. The consequences of entering a gaurd system are twofold:

1. you must face the NPC's
2. you must answer to any players there.

They faced the music with the NPC's. There is no repercussions from players when you are low level. Was this also an attempt to circumvent the 'rules'? Yes, in all likelyhood it was. It was aimed at circumventing the RP consequences of entering the system. But when you look at it as a whole we have:

1. An experienced player who tried to circumvent a server rule and did violate a server rule.
2. A player who may or may not be experienced that circumveted an RP consequence.

You totally should have just 'hounded him' and told him if he didnt comply he would be KOS'd.

[Baltar]

Very similar to a situation I had yesterday. Some "press" ships were buzzing around z21 in camera ships. But were using Civy IDs and were under level... now they were trying to RP as reporters.. but were using the under level thing to be immune from being shot on sight..

I asked an Admin about it and he wasn't sure about it, so we just stuck with verbally threatening them for the time being.

Well ... guess you'll have to role play without your guns. Oh ... shocking isn't it. I know ... its gonna be hard for you uber-caps ... but I'm sure you'll get the hang of it someday.

Someone asked about minor and 100 being owned.

Bs| owns 100 and they have full control over Minor. (Admin approved)

Bs| own 100 ... they have ZoI of Minor ... there's a distinction ... a difference. A ZoI means you have influence but do not own it. Influence does not mean by force. And by the way ...

4.6 Remember that Discovery is a roleplaying server. Factions and faction members (just like all other players) are obliged to act in the way their reputation and status require. Factions are expected to set an example in role-play.

The highlighted part above ... it means you don't act like a brat who's upset because non-faction players don't follow their overbearing rules. Set the example and stop trying to regulate other people's role play.

GEEZ!

[Heartless]

Just to clear it up.

Even if a lvl 5 civilian goes through Omicron 100 you can kill him and it wouldn't be against the rules. Rules of Order space are pretty clear I think, link in my Sig.

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