are keeper any fun to RP with? there technically nomads and you can't really communicate with them though
Keepers are good fun when you can snare them, but then I usually meet them on my outcasts who are quasi-friendly anyway, or my borderline fairy-sighter, Pato.
As Sindroms said further back, Arthur.Dgahr, his character, is much more personable than most nomads and can hold a conversation.
Another one to look for is Scout-[Tundra] and LNS-Tundra, possibly the wrong spelling on those, but that's Zapp's nomadish brainchild and he's always good fun to roleplay with.
' Wrote:Lolsair. has a better ring than lolcast
Much better than outcrap, which I've been called. ><
' Wrote:This is how it is. Omega Pirates Guild now forces its people OUT of Gamma. Gamma is the biggest cesspool of lolwhutting ooocing retarded brainless noobs on the server. I gave up there. Completely. If i had a ban hammer id have muscles like he man from hitting so many people.
DO YOURSELVES A FAVOUR AND DONT GO TO GAMMA.
If you do expect to be shot down by cap spamming retard noobs in legate who rule lawyer you while re-engaging and cruising after you with caps. Then no doubt when you inevitably go bang your demise WILL be marked with a round of 'lol'
If i could exterminate every ****tard in Gamma with a ray gun of retribution I would.
Since I cant either accept its a crap system and dont go there or accept its a crap system and do.
DONT BOTHER WHINING ABOUT IT HERE BECAUSE ANYONE WITH A BRAIN IS ALREADY AS SICK AS YOU.
The rest are probably in Gamma eating each others LOL with hungry spoons.
Real corsairs arent in Gamma.
See OPG for more details.
That's nice. Here we have someone who seems to be the leader of an official Corsair faction shouting loud and clear that there are no "real Corsairs" in Omicron Gamma and admitting that it's members are all but barred from roleplaying in it. That's great. Much like someone else before me I am somewhat disconcerted (perhaps even angered) by this, although admittedly not to the same degree.
Just so you know, there are indeed decent (dare I say good?) roleplayers in Gamma. There are (believe it or not) players who play for the RP and not, as you put it, for "capwhoring" and lulz'ing about. Yes, there are some who are like that. However, dumping everyone who does play in Gamma into the same group is ignorant at best, and highly insulting otherwise. Saying that Gamma is a crap system is effectively the same thing as calling everyone in it "cap spamming retard noobs".
I fly a Praetorian. My character's RP (yes, there is RP in Gamma, whether you make yourself blind to it or accept that it is there should you make an effort to look out for it) all but binds him (well, it) to Gamma and, more specifically, Planet Crete. Not only will keeping potentially good roleplayers outside of the system never help improve anything in it, you are effectively making it less likely to find someone else who wants to RP in Gamma because you basically limit it to the "lolsairs", as someone in this thread dubbed them. That's somewhat unfair for those of us who do want to play well yet find ourselves limited by those who claim to want the same thing, yet refuse to share it.
Omicron Gamma always was (and still is, by the way) the Corsair home system. Ignoring it and making new unofficial "home systems" of sorts for your faction (such as Omega-5) is again not going to solve anything. Ever.
It's not always about talking to each and every player who plays without any regard for anyone else's fun to try and explain what's wrong. Sometimes all you need to do is lead by example. I've only recently re-joined Discovery, I had been playing last year for a while before other things came up. I played in Gamma as a Corsair back then as well, and I have some good memories of good RP gameplay, especially one in particular. I'll describe it to you so that maybe you'll get where I'm coming from here:
A small group of enemies had come to Gamma (I seem to remember them being Madalorians, although I could be mistaken on that point) and after some RP exchange with the Corsairs present (some OPG and others Benitez, with one or two independents following them), a fight took place. The independents were ordered to stay back and not interfere, as they were in capital ships when such heavy artillery simply wasn't needed, and they complied. The fight ended with the Corsairs winning, but a few had been destroyed, one of which was a Corsair Elder. (I'm not sure what happened to the Elders, as I haven't seen them around yet.) He RP'd his escape pod ejecting and one of the other Corsairs present RP'd towing it back to one of the bases in the system. All of this happened within RP and within the often-clouded rules of fairplay.
Now, the part that struck me most was not the fight itself or the foreplay (no innuendos intended) preceding it, but rather the part following it that involved the Elder's ejection and one of his allies saving him from the clutches of the void. This wasn't a terribly long scenario, nor a very complicated one. That marked me, and since then I've tried to roleplay as excellently as that simple event had shown me was possible. That is leading by example, something which has apparently been dropped by the factions that should be doing their best to make things the best they can.
Something else that may interest you, perhaps more so than my previous point: In the whole situation, the factionized players had only to tell the independent Corsairs present once to stay back and they respected that request, because those independents respected them. Believe it or not, that is indeed possible, provided you give an actual reason for that respect. Staying away from those players is not going to make it happen, nor will staying near those players without making the effort to give an impressive example.
Why is it that veteran players who enjoy RP turn their nose up at Gamma? It's because there simply aren't enough other experienced players that play there regularly. If more serious roleplayers spend time in the system, I can assure you that others will come as well. If you abandon the system to those you wouldn't deign to play with the problem will merely stagnate and rot, and the bad reputation that Gamma already has will continue to escalate. I honestly believe that the first step toward making things better is to move the factionized players back into Gamma. If you don't want to do so, you're only hurting the Corsairs more and more by making them a more appealing faction for those who simply want to "pew pew" with big guns and bigger ships.
In short, there are problems in Omicron Gamma. No one can deny that after playing there for an extended period of time. However, I firmly believe that if the people who want to roleplay the game thoroughly and not simply do the bare minimum to be able to fight whomever they wish make an effort to spend time in the system, things can and will get better. Left as things are, the system is only going to attract the wrong kind of player and not those genuinely interested in the main aspect of this server: Roleplay.
Oof... Longest first post I ever made, but then again, it does concern an issue I find important.
What actually happened - corsairs see a red Guardian with cardamine in cargo hold. For some reason they do not destroy it right away. Guardian has about 5 minutes to come up with something... but it doesnt. Somebody gets bored and kills it. But why not?
After that Guardian goes: // uuuugonnnnaaheeerfrommeee naabz
But I have to agree that BS was probably an overkill. Independants should save those and use against agressive dependants like Gentle when he feels like factionlancering much again.
' Wrote:are keeper any fun to RP with? there technically nomads and you can't really communicate with them though
Of course you can. Keepers are perfectly capable of understanding your speech. And even though they talk in telepathy, unless you are a robot or had large parts of your brain replaced by cybernetics, you should be able to understand them as well to some degree:). Also, if you really try to RP with us on a non-hostile level, we usually don't shoot you either.
Oh, and yeah, Gamma is bad. In my opinion, it's actually worse than NY. It's how NY was a couple of mod versions ago. Sure, there are a few people attempting to RP now and then, but most of the time their RP sinks below the masses of OOC idiocy. And the worst thing about it is that a lot of the OOC lolwutters in Gamma are indie caps, liable to none but packing a lot of firepower and defense (so you can't just go and clean 'em up). Of course, if factions where given back their right to police caps (preferably cruisers and maybe even GBs as well) the lolwutters could be dealt with more easily, but then the constant bitching will start again (ONOZ FACTIONS VS INDIES!).
' Wrote:Of course you can. Keepers are perfectly capable of understanding your speech. And even though they talk in telepathy, unless you are a robot or had large parts of your brain replaced by cybernetics, you should be able to understand them as well to some degree:). Also, if you really try to RP with us on a non-hostile level, we usually don't shoot you either.
Oh, and yeah, Gamma is bad. In my opinion, it's actually worse than NY. It's how NY was a couple of mod versions ago. Sure, there are a few people attempting to RP now and then, but most of the time their RP sinks below the masses of OOC idiocy. And the worst thing about it is that a lot of the OOC lolwutters in Gamma are indie caps, liable to none but packing a lot of firepower and defense (so you can't just go and clean 'em up). Of course, if factions where given back their right to police caps (preferably cruisers and maybe even GBs as well) the lolwutters could be dealt with more easily, but then the constant bitching will start again (ONOZ FACTIONS VS INDIES!).
on the question of gamma - or any amount of "non RPers"....
if you don t expect roleplay, you will not find any. - if you expect "lolwutters" you will spot them at every corner. if you are convinced that non-factionized players are pond scum and cannot roleplay for their life, - you will see yourself confirmed.
its selective perception. - one cannot help it. - you turn a blind eye on what you don t want to see... everyone does it. - but one should be aware of it.
if a person goes to gamma and is convinced that there are traces of roleplay and if he wants to spot evidence that "its not as bad as people say" he will most certainly see what he wants to see.
and now the point of it all.
if you talk about lolwutters and bad RP - .... you create your own perception. - then lolwutters and bad RP is all you get, cause you become blind to good roleplay or attempts that might be a foundation of better improvement.
that doesn t mean that we need to go around sirius with a smile on our face expecting only the very best of each and everyone - but we should be critical about waht we see AND expect. a blissful state of mind is not helpful - but its as detrimental for the own gaming experience as to be overcritical or just biased about other people roleplay.
its like 4.84 - people screamed loudly and totally convinced that "each and every BHG they saw for practicly month was flying a capital warship" - and even if there had been fighters and bombers around with a bright and shiney BHG tag and ID.... they would not have seen them. - if asked later.... they would have SWORN that there had never been any BHG with a fighter ( for months ).
when you expect only the worst in others, when you truely believe in gamma being the sesspool of evil, - that is what you get... and you ruin your own game. - and the irony is, its your fault then. - every system has its problems, but usually - its quite balanced. - you see good RP and bad RP everywhere. - come to that, i have seen many people attempt a convincing RP in gamma - surprisingly, even without any official-faction-watchdog around.
people that created a believable "setting" for gamma - a setting that made me believe that gamma is actually the frelling corsair homeworld.... a system which is not only deadly but also chained in a very powerful tradition and honourcode.
but you only get such experiences when
- you are lucky and the people really RP their part ( admittedly )
- when you are open minded and don t expect the worst
same goes for new york. - when you fly into new york without being convinced to enter the ooc capital of sirius - new york can be pretty exciting - even RPed well.
' Wrote:No, lets make it so indies cant own cap ships.
That's not necessary. Indies can be just as good at RP as faction people, some even are better. The main problem with indie caps (and indies in general) that they are not subject to anybody's control. If a faction player screws up, you can always go and talk to his superiors. If an indie screws up...well, in some cases, you may be able to sanction them, but that rarely will help - they'll be back (besides, if one would start filing sanction reports on every lolwutter, you'd probably file 5 sanctions each day >_>).
Indie caps are not bad per say. Indie lolwutter caps are a pest though, and sadly far too common. Factions however can be hold to certain standards, and if factions are given authority over indies, policing the lolwutters would become much easier.
' Wrote:This is how it is. Omega Pirates Guild now forces its people OUT of Gamma. Gamma is the biggest cesspool of lolwhutting ooocing retarded brainless noobs on the server. I gave up there. Completely. If i had a ban hammer id have muscles like he man from hitting so many people.
DO YOURSELVES A FAVOUR AND DONT GO TO GAMMA.
If you do expect to be shot down by cap spamming retard noobs in legate who rule lawyer you while re-engaging and cruising after you with caps. Then no doubt when you inevitably go bang your demise WILL be marked with a round of 'lol'
If i could exterminate every ****tard in Gamma with a ray gun of retribution I would.
Since I cant either accept its a crap system and dont go there or accept its a crap system and do.
DONT BOTHER WHINING ABOUT IT HERE BECAUSE ANYONE WITH A BRAIN IS ALREADY AS SICK AS YOU.
The rest are probably in Gamma eating each others LOL with hungry spoons.
Real corsairs arent in Gamma.
See OPG for more details.
You can come to Mindelo if you want to visit the Brotherhood, we dont want any part of Gamma right now either.
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