Bombers

[Rudo]

Fly a HF with a CD against a bomber sometime.

There will be a revelation on their perceived power. A lot of the whining on the anti-fighter abilities of bombers comes from VHF jockeys with Mini Razors. You're not going to counter bombers very well with that.

Last time I did this, I had said bomber pilot screaming in system for a gunship to come and missile me out of existence as he couldn't turn to get me in sights, couldn't drop mines, and couldn't cruise away.

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[Andrew_Bonesovich]

Fly a HF with a CD against a bomber sometime.

There will be a revelation on their perceived power. A lot of the whining on the anti-fighter abilities of bombers comes from VHF jockeys with Mini Razors. You're not going to counter bombers very well with that.

Last time I did this, I had said bomber pilot screaming in system for a gunship to come and missile me out of existence as he couldn't turn to get me in sights, couldn't drop mines, and couldn't cruise away.

I actually find mini razor being the best counter against bombers. MR hits are painful, even to bomber, and they can kill it quickly giving it less chances to fire SN. You can get on tail of most bombers without CD in any average VHF. Always in a HF or LF.

Its about personal preferences though, it all varies on situation. Of course, the best solution is to grab Gladiator and you dont have to bother about MR or CD, since you have both :D

Aaanyway, bombers are fine. Only thing I would agree on is changing their weapons into class 6 turrets or simply making only-bomber weapons that others cant use (and the bombers wouldnt be able to use fighter weapons of course).

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[hribek]

I did not understand the attempts at flaming at the beginning of the topic.
-some- of the bombers might still have unhealthy anti-fighter capabilities. Which is one of the reasons there's more bhg bombers than Mantas around, I believe.

But the barghest is definitely fine. I didn't fly the Mjolnir yet, but it follows a similar concept. A concept which, in my eyes, makes the said bombers actually deserve their name.

"light bombers" sound like an oxymoron at times. It's more like ... "impotent bomber". Which doesn't make such ship substandard, it can fight off fighters better. At least that was the idea.

So light bombers are something like battlecruisers.

A hybrid.

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[X-Lancer]

BC cant really use Heavy Battleship weapons, only Cruiser weapons but with Better powerplant and armor. so i would say it's more like HF and VHF.

but Bomber can use SNAC/Nova, while fighter CANT. and the bomber can fight like fighters while fighters cant fight like bombers. that's the problem

we need to make Fighter VERY deadly to Bomber, just like Bomber are VERY deadly to a Battleship.

[Zeltak]

I just quote myself since I can't be bothered writing the same thing over and over again.

5. Bombers should be able to fight against Fighters as well and in their current form they can do that BUT they will still get easily destroyed by Fighter-pilots who know how to fly them. Again personal experience, I consider myself a good Bomber-pilot with over 18 months experience in them. Yet during group fights, if I'm faced with an organized group with good team-work and decent piloting skills, I can assure you I don't last longer than 5 minutes.

Next time you go to an organized battle event. Ask the enemy team to only fly Fighters (just for one event.) and then you can bring a Bomber and you will see what happens to your ship when you are up against an enemy who uses focuse-fire technique and posses decent piloting skills. You won't last more than 5 minutes.

In one of the RoS vs RHA/SCRA vs TBH events, I along with maybe three others in my team brought Bombers with us and the rest were fighters. I died in about 8 minutes after also receiving a bots from a few players.

[X-Lancer]

I just quote myself since I can't be bothered writing the same thing over and over again.
Next time you go to an organized battle event. Ask the enemy team to only fly Fighters (just for one event.) and then you can bring a Bomber and you will see what happens to your ship when you are up against an enemy who uses focuse-fire technique and posses decent piloting skills. You won't last more than 5 minutes.

In one of the RoS vs RHA/SCRA vs TBH events, I along with maybe three others in my team brought Bombers with us and the rest were fighters. I died in about 8 minutes after also receiving a bots from a few players.

like you said, focus fire, but that's how many fighters were after you? and you lasted 8 mins?

if you are in a Cruiser/BC, 8 mins are more than enough time for 3~4 bombers to take you out, usually a Cruiser against few bombers will die in like 5 mins.

[Zeltak]

like you said, focus fire, but that's how many fighters were after you? and you lasted 8 mins?

Yeah well I did say I had 18 months experience, you have to be pretty bad if you don't learn a trick or two after playing with a certain vessel for that amount of time. Yet no matter how much I dodged I still died in the end, do you see me screaming Very Heavy Fighters are overpowered because of this?

Also didn't I mentioned I got re-supplied? I consumed about 150-170 bots in 8 minutes and apparently Bombers are as maneuverable as fighters. Yeah right when I can think off the top of my head about 10 Fighter-pilots who can survive if they wanted to in more than hours while receiving the same amount of focuse-fire.

if you are in a Cruiser/BC, 8 mins are more than enough time for 3~4 bombers to take you out, usually a Cruiser against few bombers will die in like 5 mins.

That is a pretty correct statement yes.

[DarthCloakedGuy]

I did not understand the attempts at flaming at the beginning of the topic.
-some- of the bombers might still have unhealthy anti-fighter capabilities. Which is one of the reasons there's more bhg bombers than Mantas around, I believe.

But the barghest is definitely fine. I didn't fly the Mjolnir yet, but it follows a similar concept. A concept which, in my eyes, makes the said bombers actually deserve their name.

"light bombers" sound like an oxymoron at times. It's more like ... "impotent bomber". Which doesn't make such ship substandard, it can fight off fighters better. At least that was the idea.

So light bombers are something like battlecruisers.

A hybrid.

*cough* VHFs *cough*

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[Zeltak]

*cough* VHFs *cough*

VHF aren't classified as a "Light Bomber" when they posses no device of heavy-single-instant-damage developed to specifically deal with Capital-vessels. The closest thing is the Mini-Razor and that is basically about 1/20th or even less than the Supernova damage.

They ain't a hybrid either since they can't serve multi-role purposes like a Light Bomber would do as Hribek classified our current Bombers being. BattleCruisers were meant to take out heavier counter-part ships and lighter vessels, attempting to excel in both. Something a "Light Bomber" does as well, the only difference is that taking on Fighters or lower crafts with it compared to a BattleCruiser fighting a Gunboat requires ten-times the more skill on the player itself. Which is by the way even more heavier emphasized considering the Supernova Firing Arc nerf.

When you argue about the Bomber you seem to always forget it is the most skill-demanding class-vessel in the game and there really isn't like you can just waltz around shooting Supernovas here and there killing every Fighter vessel you encounter. Its not that easy as it sounds. You know that if you have ever flied a Bomber.

[Elsdragon]

Most bombers right now are light bombers, Which is to say, you CAN anti fighter with them, While some things, Like a Barghest, Are real heavy bombers, Damn good at what they do.
VHF's are no hybrid, they are just chunkyir

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