Crackpunch, the Junkers really dont need alot of ships, I mean, alot of em are light Freighters with fighter capabilities. And some of the ship requests make no sence.
gunboat/gunship: Why would you even want another one? The Salvager use Gunship weaponry.
light fighter: You got the Gitano, you dont need another, though it could do with a replacement.
train: Seriously, why?
very heavy fighter: The Collector is a VHF, no need for a new fighter.
bomber: The Bull Dog is your bomber, why ask?
Outside of everything else, the train isnt something Junkers should be needing. Everything else is already done. If you want replacement models, that might go, but otherwise, junker ships stay the way they are. But seriously though, why on earth would you want a train, the Gull already looks good enough to be a Junker ship.
Sirius are you serious? You obviously have no idea how tragicly bad are junker ships both with tragic looks and tragic in shooting: http://discoverygc.com/wiki/Gitano
and so on. Junkers do need normal ships like all factions.
Gitano is import, it needs new model and statas upgrade.
Bull dog needs new model.
Salvager could use better model.
Small transport would be useful, not every junker could afford a Salvager.
I did say the Light Fighter for the Junkers can use a replacement, the rest of the ships are basically redunant if you want something else. It shows what Junkers do, make ships using parts of others. The Gitano is the only one out-of-place in the Junker ship line.
' Wrote:Crackpunch. What about Gallic junker ships? Are you wishing for them as well cause if yah do I'll donate.
To be honest I dislike Gallia very much. I won't be supporting the construction of Gallic Junker only ships, but I don't mind if the new Junker ships are used by Gallic Junkers.
' Wrote:Crackpunch, the Junkers really dont need alot of ships, I mean, alot of em are light Freighters with fighter capabilities. And some of the ship requests make no sence.
gunboat/gunship: Why would you even want another one? The Salvager use Gunship weaponry.
light fighter: You got the Gitano, you dont need another, though it could do with a replacement.
train: Seriously, why?
very heavy fighter: The Collector is a VHF, no need for a new fighter.
bomber: The Bull Dog is your bomber, why ask?
Outside of everything else, the train isnt something Junkers should be needing. Everything else is already done. If you want replacement models, that might go, but otherwise, junker ships stay the way they are. But seriously though, why on earth would you want a train, the Gull already looks good enough to be a Junker ship.
The point of this thread is to redo the Junker line and add to it. I'm not asking for two of each class.
The Salvager uses gunboat turrets yes, but it is a transport with a pathetic transport shield. It is no substitute for a true gunboat.
Gitano would be replaced with something that works.
A lot of Congressmen find it irritating that the pirate train is considered unlawful in several places. So we'd like a train to call our own so we can utilize a small 4k transport (as opposed to the massive slave liner which holds less than 4k) without breaking the bank. A few of us would love a 5k train, but I don't see that happening due to our ID being so useful.
Collector is a big, slow turning, underpowered, POS. We'd prefer something more 'zippy' and with equal firepower to the rest of the MKII fighters (4 class 10s 2 class 9s).
The Bulldog is a heavy fighter. Not a bomber. We have the Recycler, but that is a super heavy fighter and does not satisfy the role of bomber.
I don't mind the Bulldog model myself, though it could use a re-texture. Although it would be a nice alternative if we got a full line of snubs.
' Wrote:Crackpunch, the Junkers really dont need alot of ships, I mean, alot of em are light Freighters with fighter capabilities. And some of the ship requests make no sence.
gunboat/gunship: Why would you even want another one? The Salvager use Gunship weaponry.
light fighter: You got the Gitano, you dont need another, though it could do with a replacement.
train: Seriously, why?
very heavy fighter: The Collector is a VHF, no need for a new fighter.
bomber: The Bull Dog is your bomber, why ask?
Outside of everything else, the train isnt something Junkers should be needing. Everything else is already done. If you want replacement models, that might go, but otherwise, junker ships stay the way they are. But seriously though, why on earth would you want a train, the Gull already looks good enough to be a Junker ship.
It is quite obvious you have never used junkjer ships, or flown them against any other faction ships at all. If you did? you would know they are not fighters, but small frieghters/miners. They can not hold thier own against anything the other factions have.
Sallvager is a transport. It cannot take on any other GB in the game.
Pirate train is unlawful. Not semi lawful. So junkers cannot fly it without harrassment from navy's, and police.
They have no true VHF/Bomber/LF. Yet we have several factions attacking us on sight.
Ok, 1st off, I havent, and 2ndly, I dont really care. The CSV is the only Junker ship I flew cause it was reasonably priced freighter with desent armor. Plus, this isnt about how it is, its about how to go about the looks and reasoning behind some of the questions.
Bottom-line: Other than the Light Fighter, I doubt Devs will see any real need to change anything. Junkers are not Pirates or military faction, their a neutral faction that collects materials that people dont want and use it to build their ships. Junkers may have space docks and dry docks, but its the fact of the Faction's Nature. Junkers are scavengers, not a force of destruction like the Order or the Liberty Rogues. If your gonna complain about the fact your getting spaced but other factions, then try avoiding them. The fact that you, ryoken, are not helping by complaining about something that should be looked at in a gameplay perspective, rather than a RP Perspective. If someone is attacking you without being provoked, call someone thats willing to help instead of saying, "Well, my ship isnt good enough!" No one cares, work with it, not against it.
' Wrote:Ok, 1st off, I havent, and 2ndly, I dont really care. The CSV is the only Junker ship I flew cause it was reasonably priced freighter with desent armor. Plus, this isnt about how it is, its about how to go about the looks and reasoning behind some of the questions.
Bottom-line: Other than the Light Fighter, I doubt Devs will see any real need to change anything. Junkers are not Pirates or military faction, their a neutral faction that collects materials that people dont want and use it to build their ships. Junkers may have space docks and dry docks, but its the fact of the Faction's Nature. Junkers are scavengers, not a force of destruction like the Order or the Liberty Rogues. If your gonna complain about the fact your getting spaced but other factions, then try avoiding them. The fact that you, ryoken, are not helping by complaining about something that should be looked at in a gameplay perspective, rather than a RP Perspective. If someone is attacking you without being provoked, call someone thats willing to help instead of saying, "Well, my ship isnt good enough!" No one cares, work with it, not against it.
You clearly don't know anything about the Junkers. Fly as one for two years and then get back to me.
CSV isn't even a Junker ship either, it's open use.
[font=Comic Sans Ms]Look at the Zoners, SSC. Junkers were around before them, in three of the 4 Sirian houses, harvesting scrap (which is damned valuable, both in real life and the roleplaying lore), fencing goods for virtually all of the pirate factions, which again, was a lot of wares that makes a lot of money, and then manufacturing ships for said pirates and freelancers. We've been around for longer, are richer, and yet do not have the goodies that the Zoners, whose population exploded overnight when the discovery mod started, have.
Junkers have credits. Access to material resources. Friends, or at least "long term, stable trade partners" with technology. Bases all over Sirius that have existed for hundreds of years. In our lore, we value the lives of Junker familes. We wish to protect them from those who have chosen to be our enemies.
Up the kitty Crack! I'm willing to add 500 Million Sirius Credits for this as well. So it will now be 2.5 Billion in total to the modeller(s) that take part. We do need some new ships and updated models for sure. I might even have a go at it myself.
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