AW controlling Omicron Theta

[DBoy1612]

We did read it Korrd.. Errr, except for DBoy.

Ya I tend to miss stuff... Anyway I am still looking for the post on this.

EDIT:

To be more correct: factions that had pre-4.80 systems get new systems for free. Old system (Minor in your case) is still under your control but not your property, you cannot restrict access to others or set up some special rules for it.

Not what I am looking for, but its a start.

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[Dab]

Basically by control, he means if your at war, its part of your influence. In the case of a battle there you'd be the DEFENDER and they the attacker. Also, if someone is at war with you, you would be defending that system from them, much like SA defended California, Texas, and Colorado from AW/HF in the war, as it was in their influence.

If your a lawful faction, the influence/controlled system would be in your jurisdiction, allowing you to scan and demand cargo. Also anyone can demand to know a person's reasons for being in a system they control. For example, if a pirate came in Theta and I asked; Whats your business in Theta? And he answers; attacking traders/pirating. Thats when I would say we wouldn't allow it and he would either leave, fight, or try pirating and we would attack him.

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[Virus]

Unfortunately, I deleted the message, but if I remember correctly, Igiss said to me that while RM now "owns" Braunschwieg, we still have control of all of Rheinland because we match (to the best of our ability), the NPC faction. All of our current rules still are in accordance in al of Rheinland..

Correct me if I'm wrong.

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[Koolmo]

Haha, Dab, if you think that a coalition faction should act differently, do tell.


As for the Theta thing, I'm obviously biased too, but I'm pretty sure you know how I feel about the AW being zoners at all, much less controlling several systems. Remember the hulubalu raised when the SCRA was doing **** in 49? Sounds very similar too me.

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I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

[Dab]

No, in Omeg-49 you were 'coalition' with Corsair tag, Freelancer ID, and controlling a Zoner system.. We are Zoner tagged, Zoner aligned, with our own ID (though it seems to be sold only on the Lost Battlestar..). We've always been affiliated with Zoners.

And I'm not saying you should act differently. All I said was you attacked Theta. You said yourself you would be neutral to us, so if you are not, thats on your head, not mine.

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[Koolmo]

If you think about it, we would have no RP idea that we were no longer allowed in theta, as the only mention of that was in your message dump, that we can't read.

And the bit I meant, was about us not owning the system, but extending influence to, and making rules for, a system we didn't own.


And please, can we drop the corsair and ID thing at some point? That wasn't my choice, and I changed it within seconds of taking command. Thanks.

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I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

[Kane]

This all boils down to one little thing, really:

Dab, are the AW aligned with the Zoners or not? You say in one area that you are nothing like the Zoners and just using the ID because nothing else fir, yet not long ago you said you are closely related. Can we make up our minds here?

If you -are- like the Zoners and are closely related to them, then yes you get a say in what goes on in Theta. By the same token, however, you would have to stop getting involved in wars and such even if it is your allies being attacked. Why? Zoners arn't allied with anybody, just friends. They don't get involved with any wars, or do their level best to stay out. Something of an eliteist attitude in that respect. Your continued agression and attacks, justified or not, will not endear you to the rest of the Zoner population. Someone in the higher-ups of Zoner society would have to start asking very uncomfortable questions about you.

If you -aren't- closely related, then you can go about your business as you please. But you won't get a say in what goes over in Theta. Protect the traders, sure. Even help the Zoners promote that cease-fire. You just can't tell anyone to get out of Theta, no matter who they are, if they haven't violated one of the Zoners laws.

One way or the other, my egotistical friend. As Hood implied, "You can't have your cake and eat it too."

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[Dab]

I NEVER said that we used Zoner ID/Tag just because there was nothing else to use. I said I used it because it fit us the BEST, and we are closely affiliated with them. I did say nothing else fit, but that was not the reason we were using it for. We don't go out and declare wars, we only get involved if we, or allies are attacked. I have said EVERY TIME that AW is Zoner aligned. Thats why we use the tag, and why we used the ID before our own was made (seems to be on Lost Battlestar, meaning an admin has to give it to us? O.o)

About them having no allies.. I think you'd better re-look at the infocard there.. Zoners are allied to GMG and the Order.

I would say that gives us the right to have allies as well.

Now if Liberty went and attacked The Order, and the NPCs could actually react to that (I'd say thats a decade down the line in gaming..) the Zoners would fight Liberty if they go after allied ships.. Thats why they are allied. Zoners are allied to GMG and The Order. We are allied to HF and SiN|Tech.

And in terms of hostiles and we are at war, we CAN restrict access to a degree in our Zone of Influence. If your a hostile faction, we can kick you out of any system in our Zone legally. If your a hostile individual we would simply kill you.

4.3 Access to systems that surround home system must not be restricted unless there's a war with another faction.

Now to make this PERFECTLY clear.

AW is aligned with Zoners. We use their tag, their bases. We defend them. If you attacked them, we'd be the guys hunting you. We use them as they fit us THE BEST, they fit our RP and way of doing things (neutral unless allied or you do something to provoke us).

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[majkp]

Unfortunately, I deleted the message, but if I remember correctly, Igiss said to me that while RM now "owns" Braunschwieg, we still have control of all of Rheinland because we match (to the best of our ability), the NPC faction. All of our current rules still are in accordance in al of Rheinland..

Correct me if I'm wrong.

If your faction activities match the NPC faction it makes sense that your control extends to the area which is under control of that NPC faction (RM,SF,SA,KNF). But I seriously doubt this implication can be used for AW, because they don't act like zoners very much. I know that having a large area where you can tell the others what they can and cannot do is tempting, but it has to be justified otherwise it would be RP 'raping'...:)


Well it looks like we are not understanding the word control in the same way, no one can prevent a faction from patrolling and defending others if asked for in a system that's not their home. But restricting access, asking for taxes and fees, declaring peace zones, scanning traders for contraband and applying own rules is something different and should be restricted only to home systems or the systems of the NPC faction that matches the roleplay of the player faction (like RM in Rheinland etc.).

So I totally agree with Korrd, Kane, and Hoodlum here. You can act like the NPC faction in vanilla systems (in sense of controlling them) only if your roleplay perfectly matches them.

[Dab]

Majkp, you didn't read fully what I said..

We don't restrict everybody from systems, especially not large areas. Right now we own Omicron-74. For reasons your aware of, we can't even enter that place. Thats why right now we act as Omicron Theta is our home system, until we are able to change it to Omicron-74.

We are allowed to restrict people in our Zoner of Influence if we are at war, that Zone includes Theta. Now we restrict people/factions that are hostile to us or at war with us, in the two mentioned systems. We can do that, we are at war with sso| and FEAR, who are allied to SF and SA, who we just ended a war with and who are about to start another war because of their members keep attacking Vespucci.

We do not tax, make fees, or scan traders in Omicron Theta, and we never have.

We do declare peace zones, but thats for the Zoner's. It says that they declare Freeports off-limits to fighting between factions. Now in terms of Theta (this would probably also go for Omega-49) they have all the bases there, and can control who is allowed in and who is allowed stations to be built there (read news of Zoners barring Corsairs from making a base in Theta).

If the Zoner NPCs in space saw fighting going on, they wouldn't allow it, but NPCs don't have the intelligence to stop them, Freelancer NPCs are in fact very simple. We take the role of keeping the space of Omicron Theta peaceful. If there were bases besides the Zoners, like if we had had Bering before Vanilla systems weren't available, we wouldn't do that because the Freeport there is not the only base in the system, the other one is not a Zoner base. Theta and 49 are pure Zoner systems. They control the space, and they control all the bases.


And if you guys want to see us act more Zoner.. Whats the difference between us? We get involved in wars. Zoners don't. Well the only reasons those wars start is because someone attacks us, or allies of ours. If Zoners can have allies, we can we not? Heck, the Zoners are allied to The Order, who are at war with Liberty. Yet I know if AW allied Bs| I'd still be getting this same 'your not Zoner' ****. I believe this topic was already discussed, and decided upon. The only acts the AW proforms in Theta now, is the Zoner's peace-zone, and to stop anyone from shooting the Zoners themselves. Keeping out Hostiles and factions at war is an act of our Influence, not simply control of Theta. Heck, we would be allowed to restrict hostiles/warring parties from Alpha, Theta, Beta, Sigma 13/17/19, and Tau-37. We simply do it in Theta (sometimes Tau-37 when we had multiple traders in there), as it would be a little off to control all that space. We could RP 'rape' legally, but I hold us back as I know it would simply cause problems and not be very RP. So I am satisfied with Omicron-74, and then the peace zone of Theta/restriction of people at war with us.

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