Admin Notice: Player Sanctioned

[Reverend Del]

Trader'sRevenge01 has/have been sanctioned owing to a report posted on the 18/12/2009 for:

6. ID and role-playing engagement rules
6.7 Attacking transports, liners or demanding cargo from the same is not allowed for cruisers and battleships.

Consequences: Guns: Gone. Hold: Cleaned. Credits: Zeroed. Ship: In Bastille

Notes: I don't care if you see your ship as a mining ship, it's not. You are not listed amongst the exceptions for slapping around traders, therefore your Battlecruiser has been jailed, post here with a full explanation of what you will not be doing in the future.

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Saint Del is considered a holy healer of diseases of children, but also as a protector of cattle.

[Plan-B]

Yes Sire - u did jail my Trader's-Revenge01 - and i will never do any illegal against the rules anymore.

Note / Question:
Situation 1:
I cleared my presence in Dublin with BAF at BS Hood. They gave me an OK. I was (not successfully) protecting and holding Cargo for Players Digger-Barnes and Sammy - both miners. We were in Group - so if a pirate transport attacs - i have to stand still and do nothing ?

Situation 2:
Patrolling round Hood to see whats up in the system - seeing some pirates - Mollies, Outcasts, Junker IFF all Pirate ID. Well i stood clear watching the scene. Until Player Apache said "Engaging Traders Revenge" - so for what reason? I told them "Ladies - i can defend myself" But after the first nuclear mines and other really heavy Guns i started fiering. Most of these players were flying Pirate Transports. Combined with bombers a nice group of 6-8 ships. So what to do in this situation ?

I never understood my BC as mining ship.

If i had known this situation before - i would have made a collection of screens with "drop ur cargo or die", "engaging", "this is contrabound - engaging" and many more.

6. ID and role-playing engagement rules

ID Independent Miners Guild Guard - With IFF - IMG Guard Ship - taking care for Miners - in selfdefence - after insulting IMG. One time i gave the 1 st shoot.

6.7 Attacking transports, liners or demanding cargo from the same is not allowed for cruisers and battleships

Refering to the rule "except in self defence" - demanding cargo - no never did this - asking for leaving the system - after fiering at me then flleing - yes i am guilty.

Honestly Sires, i can understand that players beeing killed are angry and claim to the rules and so on. But this is only 1 side of the story. Killing a pirate while pirating ... i can feel with him. not a good feeling. But making me a rule breaker for self defence - i cannot believe.
There is no need for pirates killing ships or attacking them - they can choose which one they want to get. why did they choose me / our group? - mb theyve chosen the wrong one.


I stand to this post. so leave it for all players blaming me a rule breaker.

Plan-B aka Trader's-Revenge01

[Govedo13]

Well here it is about the situation 1.
I was in the pirate transport robbing miners that you protected.

The idea behind this rule is that I am really defenceless against Cruiser or Battleship.May be you haven't tried to rob somebody in Pirate Transport but its not that easy then with bomber or Gunboat.Even one miner ship has similar gun set-up and hull like the pirate transport,the difference is that the miner has less power in the core.

I know that this seems not fair in a first look but this rule is to balance things.
Next time just take Gunboat if you want to protect miners or bomber,you can kill every pirate transport without any problems.Nobody blames you as Rule Breaker or something,but I told you that you cannot attack me.
If you however want to protect miners in the cruiser you still can , just buy some nice CAU for the miner ship and give him bots and bats while he runs, you can try to cut my way when I hunt them or try to take my fire with your superior shield and hull,but all this without firing against the transport pirate.With the cruiser you can easy kill all pirates in fighters,bombers and gunboats. If somebody attack your cruiser with transport ship and down your shield to the half(that is according to the rules attack) you can just blast him without problems.This rule stands only for transport ships you can blast bombers fighters and gunboats without a problem.I hope that you will understand my point.I see that you are nice and honest guy and hope that Admins will set you free from the jail.
Regards Govedo

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[Plan-B]

Well here it is about the situation 1.
I was in the pirate transport robbing miners that you protected.

The idea behind this rule is that I am really defenceless against Cruiser or Battleship.May be you haven't tried to rob somebody in Pirate Transport but its not that easy then with bomber or Gunboat.Even one miner ship has similar gun set-up and hull like the pirate transport,the difference is that the miner has less power in the core.
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I agree with the rule to balance this. Well beeing in a group means working together. So if someone threatens a member of a group - the group may react ^^.
U must admit that i gave more than one warning - that i will protect my "group". And u can whitness that i did not make a "wild fiering". Otherwise we wouldnt have fought 30 mins or so.

May be that it makes more sense to rewrite some rules - meaning u use a Transport to rob miners - well ure a pirate its ok if u do this - but a transport is - correct me if i am wrong - for transporting goods. And who said its easy to rob people ? Thats not the point here - just a thought.

The situation in Dublin is - since gold rush is really confusing - u see outcasts working together with .. i already told the post before.

i disagree with the ship setup of a miner - the rouge Transport has much more power than a mining ship and can use completely diffrent weapons. even if there are 2 miners they have no chance against 1 rouge transport.
ill create a char with a rouge transport just to check this ship in fights. my suggestion is: create a mining ship do mining with this and look what will happen when u get caught by a transport.
player sammy was taxed 3 or 4 times - was fate - ok was blasted 5 times without warning - not ok. digger-barnes was killed 4 times ok - 2 times while dealing about the tax - not ok. thats the reason for my presence there.
the best what ever happened - their trader AT-Man was taxed near graves and did pay - after JH to leeds he was taxed again by same player with other char - with these words:"today is really not ur day" pay ... or die. my understatement of roleplay is a little diffrent.

we will see how the admins decide - i havent got a clue - but i remember the words heard in dublin "a cheers for the player who throw out these pirates".

[Edmund.BlackAdder]

U must admit that i gave more than one warning - that i will protect my "group". And u can whitness that i did not make a "wild fiering".

If it is helpful for the admins to find a fair sanction, I can say that the guy Traders Revenge01 had warned several times. I wasn't there as an eye-witness, but as an ear-witness. Therefore I can't say whether the
attackers had been bombers or pirate transports (Govedo will know). I don't know anything about the result of the fight, cause I left Dublin before it has ended.

[Plan-B]

open post Trader's-Revenge01 sanctioned

well sire,
after reading nearly all posts in the forum concerning Battlecruisers - i must admit beeing guilty killing a transport with a battlecruiser.

i am still confused about the rule BC is not allowed to kill a transport. its a fact ive no doubt about this, i could see by beein sanctioned. i accept the sanction.


rule says in doubt or conflict id overrides rule

My id (img guard id) says:
- is allowed to escort traders: in my sense - and i did not found anything else - a miner is handled like a trader. escorting is protecting and defending.
- can kill terrorists

engagig rule:
- i did not know that i am only allowed to engage when my shield is down to 50%.
- insulting the img is due to role play a good reason to engage - after discussion - of course.

grouping:
- should not be allowed for bc with transports/miners which would be a collision with rules

solution could be:
creating a BC licence - which clears exact these points like BS licence.