' Wrote:I'll raise a point since noone else will.
I'm often in omega 7, pirating either you or kruger, but as of late more kruger since you guys actually patrol around (kudos!)
But I find myself puzzled to why would you cooperate with IMG, ever while there?
Yes, I know it was to hunt down the notorious criminal, but from what I see the general rule of omega 7 is don't touch me I won't touch you.
Well, I have to break it to you, those minerals they're all mining aren't really gonna last forever, and I don't see why would either Kruger or Daumann cooperate with IMG instead of attacking them.
You guys have some fine even numbers, I don't know why wouldn't you make things more interesting.
They are your rivals after all...
Totally agree, we tried to rivalize both Kruger and IMG vessels (and every foreigner miners). I declared sometimes some different place how I personally dont like the - as I call it - black and white game, dont prefer how all trader must be friendly with each other and so on. We made a real corporation war in Omega-7. We sent pirates to our competitors, we personally hunt them openly and secretly, we hired the BHG| for this job too and so on - all what is possible. It worked and we really enjoyed until we dont faced an IMG "LOLFleet of capwhores" as my co-leader said. The IMG team in Omega-7 (IMS tagged guys) brought a huge fleet against us: =CR= ships, IMG capitals, [RHA] what openly guarded Freistadt, SCRA gunboats, a lot of freelancer, independent miner, mercenary and so on and we dont had any back up. We asked th [RM] at least for military gear if they dont send help us (yes civilian line not the best in omegas) but all what we got a kick our ass (hope its not strong). They lost their goal, protecting their allies or their civilians from foreigners (true in the last few days I see they are active in the Omegas too). So we got a numerous enemies and we was alone. I dont wanted start a war, what I cant win. I had only 5 men who sit to fighters too - and we arent the bests. So we made a deal with this force (a part of it of course). We keep the free traffic and we protect each other mining field, mining vessels. This agreement will readable after our IMS partner finally post it somewhere. So sorry, I tried coloring the corporation RP and errr... we arent kind with Krugers and other IMGs (just today we shot down an IMG gunboat in Omega 7 - dont tell noone). We know IMG are our rivals and we thought our Military are our partners. We failed. Check 1st report. If you face IMG battlecruisers and carriers, gunboats and so on when you are in an Eagle, you withdraw:).
So we dont had other choise, continue that standard RP what everyone wait from a trader team - be friendly with every lawful and the victim role. But believe me, I search the way out from this situation (no, IMG partners, I wont betray you - dont fear). Sad how nothing working without [RM] in Rheinland, and we dont have good position.
=CR= 88th Battlegroup
Sent to Omega 7 to defend the IMG ships; specially the IMS who were the main victims
1 carrier
An unknown number (at least 3 at a time spotted) of fighters and bombers
ICMG Independent Communists miners Guild
So much for miners, a whole capital fleet spotted at Freistadt all logged at the same time. At least 2 Battlecruisers, 1 Carrier, several gunboats; not a single fighter/bomber, even less a miner, even less a communist.
RHA
Their whole forces openly defended the IMG(IMS msotly) vessels. Usually you would see 3-6 of them at a time
IMS security wing
Not that much; 1 gunboat and a few more fighters.
IMG indies
2 Batllecrusiers, 2 gunboats, again no fighters or bombers.
SCRA
1 gb spotted frequently in the area. He came to defend civillians according to him. Strange enough he was spotted only at the northern field
IMG officials
A gb spotted, more info on what other forces were present is unknown
Our forces
Bombers/fighters. The patrol wing is a shared account so basically due to activity levels 2 pilots could be online at the same time, but not more unless there was an escort at Briesen.
Mercenaries, a licensed pirate, ables aces ( 2 of them) 3 falcatas/3 sabres( 3 person owning 1 of each)
Assistance form our "allies" to defend our assets. The Rheinland Military
None of course, They increased the patrols to fight the hessians, but they had been doing that already anyways. They of course didnt mind a whole fleet of capitals right at their borders. They said we would use them and order them aroun; when we told that we actually take orders from them the response from their bold brave and heroic officer was that his first order was to go and inspect the sun's temperature. Later he was spotted having a nice chat with an SCRA gunboat in O7. They dont mind that the main and biggest corporation, the one that even produces weapons and ships for them to be decimated by foreigners.
So...
You make the numbers
Our only course of action was to declare a neutrality pact with them, that later became a (kinda) an alliance to defend each other. the CR doesnt attacks us. Neither the ICMG, The hessians no longer guard the miners, our only conncern now is the pirate threat, and the RM now patrols the system everyday to hunt down the WD, which by the way offer us more assistance and dont come to interrogate us and guess what our patrols are doing.
Today we hailed one of them and his first response was "I hope you are not interfering with the IMG" (or similar I dont have the log) After a long hour of joint operations with the IMS and WD doing the job that they refuse to do. We cleaned the system form pirates, chased off a a wilde vessel, and did general patrol of the area. Strange enough after we came back a whole group of RM, oncluding admirals and high ranking officers arrived; what for we will never know, but the WD looked pretty nervous.
I see your issue here man, and I'm glad you decided to answer so honestly. However, I will point Malexia and her RM to this as Daumann and Kruger should receive Rheinland Military support if the independent factions start to show big commotion in their territory.
I'll send a pm to read this, but what I suggest, if you do not agree with that aliance that you rather ally with kruger and ask RM for support than actually sign something you dislike without trying all options.
If corsairs brought bigger presence would you sign something with them too? :/
Well, I tried to read the topics above, but somehow I don't get the idea at all.
If Daumann or Kruger needs the Rheinland government, they should adress the Kanzleramt.
Omega 7 is not Rheinland space and only the lanes and stations are being patroled to ensure security for the trade going on due to the OMega Trade Pact with the Bretonians.
About the IMG fleet and especialy the CR fleet, the Military is concerned. Battleship Karlsruhe is alerted already and a Cruiser has been redirected to the Jumpgate to show presence.
The CR fleet is being monitored, but in Omega 7 they are quite legal. As long as they do not travel through Rheinland with their whole fleet.
To get back to the topic at hands, I still don't see how the RM is involved in this.
Yes we patrol Omega 7 frequently and yes we had a little brawl with some Hessians yesterday, but that was the only trouble around we were aware of.
And please keep me updated on the WD information, since I am quite interested in their actions lately.
So to sum it up again, Kruger and Daumann should do an RP post if they need something from the government.
Well, I tried to read the topics above, but somehow I don't get the idea at all.
If Daumann or Kruger needs the Rheinland government, they should adress the Kanzleramt.
Omega 7 is not Rheinland space and only the lanes and stations are being patroled to ensure security for the trade going on due to the OMega Trade Pact with the Bretonians.
Well only this was what we wanted and asked in the past. We had a high-level meeting with your represent (razr on forum) for it, but he wasnt really helpful. He - as he said - dont wanted risking the RM pilots life for protect rheinland civilians in O7. Especially not, if they need helping to Daumann.
' Wrote:About the IMG fleet and especialy the CR fleet, the Military is concerned. Battleship Karlsruhe is alerted already and a Cruiser has been redirected to the Jumpgate to show presence.
The CR fleet is being monitored, but in Omega 7 they are quite legal. As long as they do not travel through Rheinland with their whole fleet.
To get back to the topic at hands, I still don't see how the RM is involved in this.
Yes we patrol Omega 7 frequently and yes we had a little brawl with some Hessians yesterday, but that was the only trouble around we were aware of.
And please keep me updated on the WD information, since I am quite interested in their actions lately.
We dont really cared =CR=. They used fighters - no problem. The reason why we turned to RM for help, was the massive capital fleet and the massive unlawful back-up what openly defended IMS, the RHA squadron what camped around Freistadt (and blocked the free taffic). Because we cant use larger than bomber (I dont understand why IMG can and why they have own capitals. They are originally a small mining company - but we, a rich, large one what build the military fleet - we must remain on fighters). We had evidence all of this what reported later, but on the meeting your represent, well.... he said he dont care. Interesting reaction. We wanted just some words against IMG. If IMG accept openly unlawfuls (Rheinland enemies) back-up and shoot rheinland citizens, this is the minimum. A real fine reaction should be the "enemy of the state" status to IMG and pushing them out from Omegas - just an idea. But no, nothing, RM or Rheinland Government handle IMG as an independent nation what is same level with Rheinland, not as a small company. I dont really understand why. They are ex-Daumann, ex-Kruger employer, who left rheinland. If we are nationalists, they are traitors in our eyes. So the minimum a negative reaction against IMGs, not the licking their legs.
Until this time and especially in the last month we errr... dont feeled how RM wanna co-operating with their civilians. And it not just from this Gunther Rall but other RM members who we met in game. Somehow foreigners who had neutral status in your politic have higher respect than we, who are friendly status - and I dont tell yet our RP role with military.
About WD. They act like we awaiting from a military pilot. An example: if we are under attack, I mean Daumann or other (friendly) civilians, they come for help, and their help are real help. If they see we fight, they join, dont start discuss or other but try to save our lives. Your men - when he realize we are under attack - not really helpful. He cry his wishes, he order us example standing down - hell we just make self-defence, if I stand down my - example hessian - opponent just shoot me, because he ignore RM officer's order. Of course I dont stand down - reaction from RM pilot: I disobeyed RM order. Great:D.
I understand your men try play hir RP role, and he try to do this in chat. But In my readings there is time for discuss with enemy but sometimes - no. The WD realize this, thats all. And everyone lose his cold blood if he is outpowered or outnumbered and his "allies" just shout orders but dont help effectively. This is why I dont surprise WD reactions.
We made a pactum with IMG (was necessary when we faced that large number enemy) so we cooperating for keeping the free traffic in Omegas and protecting each other mining vessels. You can read more about it if IMG our partner finally post it - we await it too. WD just joined this pactum. So their duty - as this pactum say - defending us and other peaceful traders who use the lanes and cooperating with our civilian forces. So I ask appology in the WD name, or better if in IMS name. You simply dont know this pactum yet in details, but WD know and act, as the pactum tell them.
' Wrote:So to sum it up again, Kruger and Daumann should do an RP post if they need something from the government.
Malexa
We did it. Of course not you was from the RM leadership who handled this, but I personally sent you a reminder with link - no answer. I tried asking things, example entering Braunschweig for bomber gear - no other place in Rheinland where we can buy it - in PM too. again for you, again no answer. Im sure you got a huge number PMs, Im sure you kept in your mind - if you ever reed it - just forgot answering. I just say, I tried. If needed of course I can repeat.
Well, the CR operation there is called Scarecrow for a reason. At first thought I'd ride in like a knight in shiny armor, saving the miners from an evil, expansionist corporation.
The outfit is there to loiter around Fstad and the northern mining area, smash up every pie rat regardless of origin and agenda that would get the bright idea of touching the IMG.
As per the unit's composition...
Quote:Nemesis - CV88
CO - Adm. Constantine Breetai (Panzer)
XO - Sgt. Kalliste Kell (Kaze)
"Zephyr" class carrier
Pilum - Col. Andrew Fletcher (Fletcher)
"MG-1 Hydra" gunboat
Cronus - Mjr. Alexander Jinxs (Dodge)
"MG-1 Hydra" gunboat
I have to weigh in with Wolfspirit on this one. It's a little odd that the DHC get the only flak emanating from the system.
7 is literally packed with IMG types and their "allies" - in cruisers, gunboats, etc. The scale of traffic is simply beyond what any faction attempting to survive can reasonably be expected to handle. I can't personally figure out the need for the CR to be there (it seems the relationship with IMG comes into play when it suits people - did they traverse Bretonia from the Taus to get there?).
The close Hessian/IMG connection is a little odd too. There are Bounty Hunters based on IMG bases as well. Do we see them holding hands and sharing warm showers? Do we cucumbers.
As to the Corsairs: noticed how few there are around? I generally doubt Corsair players will bother going into 7. The general responses seems to be everyone kill the Corsair first and let's stretch the bounds of credibility to make sure we don't fight each other after that. My last times there I had to run from various cocktails of hessian fighters, IMG gunboats, BHG gunboats, Kruger fighters, a indy RM cruiser, Bowex escorts.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, but if the RM and BAF are going to sit by and watch the IMG annex a system on the main trade route between the Houses, they only have themselves to blame.
' Wrote:If corsairs brought bigger presence would you sign something with them too? :/
Not really; we dont see corsairs bringing a fleet of cruisers to Omega 7; except for the ocassional lolwut.
But the IMG had 2 fleets there; and I mean IMG like in the faction in general not the official IMG player faction. We wouldnt mind if those factions brought fighters/bombers to defend themselves; we cant always be on the winning side; But how would you deel if you start a patrol and you see an IMG Battlecruiser standing in Kruger's field? Or better yet, an ICMG Capital fleet coming out of Freistadt because 2 eagles engaged an IMS patrol?
And to add something I forgot in my previous post. In case those fleets were not enough, some IMG alligned person put a bounty on our heads.
You misunderstood my question. I asked what if Ivan, as a Corsair character manages to muster up 10-20 gunboats parked there daily, as IMG does.
Would you actually make a truce with us or alert the RM?
problem that I see here Malexia, is that Rheinland really really really needs those minerals in omega 7, and omega 11, because rheinland isn't really in position to buy the raw ore from anyone, and I would say they need to conserve the little power in omegas they have.
RM could help there greatly, ofcourse if Daumann and Kruger decide to ask for the help.
If GMG started to attack all Kruger and Daumann ships although you signed an non agression pact and opened the borders of trade, wouldn't rheinland get involved?
Same thing happens here with IMG and the rest.
Don't get me wrong, I'll never mind being kicked out from omega 7, i'm far from sore loser, but it does sting me when I get kicked out by the united forces of mining inc. made of 3 rival companies
Well in the current situation. If you massed 10 gbs we would shout over the emergency channel and get a massive force to fight you all; about the outcome, not sure but that's what we would do.
If it was like in the past; where Daumann was on his own we would probably run and hide make a meeting with the RM like we did and hope that this officer doesnt treats us like crying children.
Now there are some things about the pact; it is not like we are allies and all. Problem is that the IMS has not posted it. But basically it covers the security on the system to fight common enemies and that's all. If we call for help because a Hessian is fighting us, the IMS will not respond because they are neutral and such.
Now this truce is not something we just decided out of nowhere; it was the result of the lack of aid from the RM; if they would hve given us the assistance we would still be fighting the IMS. Since they didnt, we had to follow another course of action.