' Wrote:you realise that the human cloak is a very inefficient derivative of the nomad one, photosynthesis is used to gather energy, not your weekly groceries, its part of the nomad bodily functions to be able to cloak, they dont need a physical consumed "fuel" to power themselves, because, they are not humans, or mammals or any kind of life form you can possibly compare them to, so how do you know what can and cant be?
By definition, photosynthesis is the process by which a light and minerals are used (or, more accurately, light reacts with said minerals) to make food, so yes, it is like going out and getting your weekly groceries.
Quote:no it doesn't, but they are so efficient it doesn't need to be, just because they can cloak naturally doesn't mean they do it all the time, when they need to they can.
And saying "it's so efficient" without giving any reason as to why is the same as saying "God did it" or "magical space voodoo".
' Wrote:By definition, photosynthesis is the process by which a light and minerals are used to make food, so yes, it is like going out and getting your weekly groceries.
since light is always present everywhere, no it really isnt like going out and buying your weekly groceries unless you live inside the supermarket in arms reach of every food item you could need ever for the rest of your life (yawn)
' Wrote:And saying "it's so efficient" without giving any reason as to why is the same as saying "God did it" or "magical space voodoo".
Science aside, there's the balance issue as well.
you agree that since there are no aliens in reality that we have found or will ever find, "magical space voodoo" isnt so far fetched, you remember the fiction genre right? :nyam:
' Wrote:since light is always present everywhere, no it really isnt like going out and buying your weekly groceries unless you live inside the supermarket in arms reach of every food item you could need ever for the rest of your life (yawn)
Having light constantly available doesn't make it any more efficient, storage ability and production speed must still be accounted for, not to mention that realistically, the only reason that the stars are always in 'arm's reach' is because of the horrendous scaling in Freelancer.
Quote:you agree that since there are no aliens in reality that we have found or will ever find, "magical space voodoo" isnt so far fetched, you remember the fiction genre right? :nyam:
Never said there can't be aliens, maybe I'm trying to be too hard-science about it though. I'm still waiting for a grounded reason as to why they should be able to, in RP, that isn't the same ambiguity that's present in the Nomad lore.
And yeah, magical space voodoo is pretty far fetched if your justification for it is a misconception of how something works...
NOTE: I'm arguing for the sake of arguing, by the way. Balance wise I think they shouldn't have unlimited cloak, but instead a more efficient cloaking system (see: Not the one we use). Reducing the amount of fuel used p/second would achieve that.
1: Are the gallians the only people in Sirius who can build bases cause they are the only ones who have cryocubes? Nomads can use cloaks. There is NOTHING that keeps you from getting the cloaking device AND fuel from a human collaborateur IRP, or just get it the same way other people do and preten its nomad build just like you pretend you didnt buy your other nomad stuff for credits. Do you make the credits you used to buy your nomad ships using a nomad char? No you didnt, you made them on a human char and transfered them. If you want add liquid cardamine to the list of things that power cloaks. But its simply not tue that its impossible, or even much harder, for nomads to use cloaks.
2: Photosynthesis is totally inefficient to power a space ship. You wouldn't only need sunlight, you'd need CO2 and Water too, and be emitting a bunch of oxygen. If you want solar power, it would be photovolataic. But that could never produce enough energy either. Realistically, fusion. Nomads don't use photosynthesis or photovoltaic (if they would they would be green or black anyway, cause you can't harness the sun's light without absorbing light) from the sun, they ARE their own sun. They emit light, they don't absorb it. Fusion. Just scoop up a lil of the hydogen from suns, light it on fire, and you're good to go on your interstellar trip. And you'll actually shine.
' Wrote:Having light constantly available doesn't make it any more efficient, storage ability and production speed must still be accounted for, not to mention that realistically, the only reason that the stars are always in 'arm's reach' is because of the horrendous scaling in Freelancer.
no it doesnt make it more efficient you are right, but it means that the rate of efficiency is irrelavent to a degree. like having a laptop constantly plugged into a external power source rather than running off its own power. to a degree it doesn't matter how inefficient the laptop is, its constantly being fed power so it never runs out.
being inside a gas cloud or otherwise location with a drastically low source of light should make their energy drain, i agree if thats your thinking, but these locations are few and far between in freelancer so its not really a point of reference, and also if that were the case theyd be screwed in their own home system, because iota is as dark as it gets really.
and even if the scaling in freelancer was real size, systems are still systems, there is no open space in freelancer as in systems with no stars, planets, rocks and stations. So it doesn't matter, scale is irrelevant to the discussion really. the earth isnt sat on the sun and we do alright.
' Wrote:Never said there can't be aliens, maybe I'm trying to be too hard-science about it though. I'm still waiting for a grounded reason as to why they should be able to, in RP, that isn't the same ambiguity that's present in the Nomad lore.
And yeah, magical space voodoo is pretty far fetched if your justification for it is a misconception of how something works...
NOTE: I'm arguing for the sake of arguing, by the way. Balance wise I think they shouldn't have unlimited cloak, but instead a more efficient cloaking system (see: Not the one we use). Reducing the amount of fuel used p/second would achieve that.
I think they should have unlimited cloak ability inside locations where light is abundant.
normal system space = unlimited (light is abundant, so no drain) Asteroid field = 25% drain rate (rocks block light but still there is enough not to impact too much) Gas cloud nebula = 50% drain rate (like the sigma's gas clouds but still plenty of light) Antimatter cloud = 70% drain rate (bad lands, not a lot of light gets through and so efficiency of energy consumption from light sources reduced somewhat) Dark matter cloud = 98% drain rate. (places like new york where the rouge destroyer is, and i think its kepler or gallileo where the cloud is just black and nothing else should cripple energy consumption and make cloak drain rather drastic)
' Wrote:1:There is NOTHING that keeps you from getting the cloaking device AND fuel from a human collaborateur IRP
really? you cant think of anything.. nothing at all comes to mind?
' Wrote:2: Photosynthesis is totally inefficient to power a space ship. You wouldn't only need sunlight, you'd need CO2 and Water too, and be emitting a bunch of oxygen. If you want solar power, it would be photovolataic. But that could never produce enough energy either. Realistically, fusion. Nomads don't use photosynthesis or photovoltaic (if they would they would be green or black anyway, cause you can't harness the sun's light without absorbing light) from the sun, they ARE their own sun. They emit light, they don't absorb it. Fusion. Just scoop up a lil of the hydogen from suns, light it on fire, and you're good to go on your interstellar trip. And you'll actually shine.
please remember its fictional, and we dont have any real aliens to compare the nomads to so.. there is no point trying to figure out all the inbetween parts since "magical space voodoo" seems to fit pretty well and has done for.... 10 years almost.
' Wrote:no it doesnt make it more efficient you are right, but it means that the rate of efficiency is irrelavent to a degree. like having a laptop constantly plugged into a external power source rather than running off its own power. to a degree it doesn't matter how inefficient the laptop is, its constantly being fed power so it never runs out.
The speed they can 'generate' power is the speed their cells can do it. No matter how much 'sufficiently advanced aliens' crap you peddle, you haven't justified how it's fast enough to give a constant supply of power for a cloak AS WELL AS their regular bodily functions.
' Wrote:1: Are the gallians the only people in Sirius who can build bases cause they are the only ones who have cryocubes? Nomads can use cloaks. There is NOTHING that keeps you from getting the cloaking device AND fuel from a human collaborateur IRP, or just get it the same way other people do and preten its nomad build just like you pretend you didnt buy your other nomad stuff for credits. Do you make the credits you used to buy your nomad ships using a nomad char? No you didnt, you made them on a human char and transfered them. If you want add liquid cardamine to the list of things that power cloaks. But its simply not tue that its impossible, or even much harder, for nomads to use cloaks.
Please apply some logic to your own thinking before making statements like this and presenting them as self-evident.
The way cryocubes that are only obtainable in Gallia are required for base construction is bad since it doesn't make sense inRP, and should be changed.
But this whole Gallia/bases thing doesn't belong here. Don't take one nonsensical circumstance as a justification for another. Are you really convinced it makes sense that Nomads depend on humans to supply technology that Nomads made in the first place and that Humans copied from them?
If nomad cloaks should require fuel in the first place can be debated upon, but I dare you to bring one good reason why nomads should need humans to supply their cloaks. "It can somehow be done the way it is" is not a reason.
' Wrote:Please apply some logic to your own thinking before making statements like this and presenting them as self-evident.
The way cryocubes that are only obtainable in Gallia are required for base construction is bad since it doesn't make sense inRP, and should be changed.
But this whole Gallia/bases thing doesn't belong here. Don't take one nonsensical circumstance as a justification for another. Are you really convinced it makes sense to you that Nomads depend on humans to supply technology that Nomads made in the first place and that Humans copied from them?
Actually, technically the Nomads 'made' none of that technology - it was left by their ANCIENT ALIEN HOUDINI OVERLORDS who left it behind for them.
' Wrote:normal system space = unlimited (light is abundant, so no drain) Asteroid field = 25% drain rate (rocks block light but still there is enough not to impact too much) Gas cloud nebula = 50% drain rate (like the sigma's gas clouds but still plenty of light) Antimatter cloud = 70% drain rate (bad lands, not a lot of light gets through and so efficiency of energy consumption from light sources reduced somewhat) Dark matter cloud = 98% drain rate. (places like new york where the rouge destroyer is, and i think its kepler or gallileo where the cloud is just black and nothing else should cripple energy consumption and make cloak drain rather drastic)
If it's possible to code, then this would be great.
' Wrote:Actually, technically the Nomads 'made' none of that technology - it was left by their ANCIENT ALIEN HOUDINI OVERLORDS who left it behind for them.
I admit the phrasing "they made the technology" was a little unfortunate. However, my point was that they do not depend on anyone for that technology - it's in their genetic material, it's a function of their body. They didn't need the Daam K'Vosh to supply it after, they certainly don't need humans for it, they just need energy.
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