You know, your point is right in some aspects, but others have different view on that and they are right too.
it's not relevant that we, Zoners, have wealth, planet, stations, warships. we're not the House, we are scattered all over Sirius, we can't create a single front, we don't have a single command. look what happened when we tried to have it, everything fell apart after the first attack.
war with corsairs is your way and your local matter. you may hide in 74 behind minefield and guard status. fp5, which I represent at this moment, is 8k from gamma jh and 20k from leon, it means in the middle of sairs space. I am not going to risk fp5. it is matter of existence. war means we have to pack our bags up or die.
my grandmother used to say - "the humble whale sucks two mothers". I prefer to talk with Sairs, especially if it gives peace and profit. I don't see any impossible demands from them. some food and donations from time to time? is it big problem? a station in theta and ring on Gran Canaria? they will build it if they want, who will prohibit them? I doubt people in Omega 49 want to fight with Sairs, it would be disaster. Sairs are pirates in the end, if you don't give them that by will, they take it by force.
what do you expect and what do you want to achieve? a peace and compromise? take two steps backwards, and start talking. a war? provoke them more but don't pick us all into an impossible to win, endless war. until now I see only a pride and bias, but it always cause troubles, nothing more.
sorry, but it is your frog.
I wish you wisdom and happiness, you will need it.
Mr. Leo Lagavulin has asked me to convey this message:
"I cannot believe, what I am hearing from this conference.
You all speak as if holding pieces of red cloth in the face of the agressors is going to make things better for all Zoners. As if bans is going to end the conflict.
I hear few voices of wisdom and moderation. And this saddens me.
Yes, there has been plenty of atrocities committed by the agressors - on Freeport 9 and elsewhere.
It is easy to understand, why you say "enough is enough".
But you all forget, that it is precisely this attitude, that lead to the present state of affairs.
Do not even one among you at least wonder, how it came to be, that both the Corsairs AND the Bounty Hunters are against us - deadly enemies of each other, but now in a way united in their hatred against all Zoners? And this after centuries of co-existence in the most hostile enviroments of all of Sirius?
It came to be, because people amongst us forgot, that we are Zoners for a reason.
It came to be, because people amongst us turned their back to the way of living, that we have practiced as long as anyone can remember.
It came to be, because those people amongst us developed sudden aspirations and desires of becoming more than we have allways been.
It came to be, because those people amongst us forgot, how easily such ambitions could provoke others.
But if we want the atrocities to end - and the peace to be restored - we MUST be true to the Zoner Way.
Our Freeports are an intregrated part of the Zoner Way - offering shelter to all, that seeks them. Our Freeports MUST remain free - it is a matter of principle.
Abandon all thoughts of bans and new restrictions - stay with our principles.
And listen to the voices of moderation, that are still heard among the agressors. The Black Sails are beyond reach of reason and wisdom, but you cannot control them by the gun either.
Turn to the Corsair Elders - they still remember our mutual relations of the past - and they are the only ones, that can bring any Corsair agression to a halt.
Turn to the Bounty Hunter Core - they too will remember the old days - and yearns for peace to be restored.
We, the Lagavulin-familiy, intend to uphold our good relations with all parties - if possible - and we will meet anyone with respect and with tolerance. And if we are attacked, we will respond in a moderate and constrained manner.
The continuation of this conflict is foolish - and leads to no-where for anyone - the Zoner community least of all. All casulties will be in vain - and merely stain the hands of those that causes them.
The Lagavulin-family will take no part of this.
We are Zoners.
Sincerely yours
Leo Lagavulin"
This concludes the message from my client, mr. Lagavulin.
"here is just a bit of basic psychology. it is basic causality. - when you make a threat, you MUST apply it when the contitions of the threat are met. if you do not apply the consequences, your threat becomes hollow, which means that not only your threat becomes meaningless in the present and the future, but also every other cause and effect you wish to apply.
ever since - when zoners felt the need to protect themselves, threats were a tool to back up our claims. our claims are little compared to others, but we are self sufficient mostly.
the threat looming about fp9 was that "if the corsairs ever tried to attack it - we would respond in massive force" - this threat has been taken from generation to generation - and was applied to ensure a stalemate.
what does happen when that threat is not applied? - what does it say about any other threat in the cause of causality? - who would believe anything we say anymore.
in the early days of the council of zoners, even the TAZ said "if you mess with us, you DIE!" - we may respond in inappropriate forces and we WILL silence you.
when you tell a little kid that he will get punished when he steals from others - and when it actually happens that you catch the kid stealing from others - you do NOT punish it - the kid will do it again - and again and again, cause it has learned one lesson! : if you steal, you don t get punished, cause the threat is nothing but empty words.
when you train a dog not to crap indoors, and the dog still does it unpunished, it will continue, because it has learned that your words are empty.
if zoners do not make those that messed with us - and i shall be very clear .... not we messed with them, they messed with us.... go about their business without the consequences we "promised" them - and which they knew in advance - our credibility is damaged beyond repair.
generally, there are not many causes to fight and die for - but the future of our society is a cause to fight and die for. we are the only society in the edgeworlds that is not based on military power and the survival of the most violent! - we are the only pillar of civilization. - corsairs, BHG core are nothing but thugs with a twisted ideal of power through violence.
using violence for peace is a paradox - but it may just lead to a better future in the end than to comply and become buddy with the bully; which unfortunately is a natural habit of so many.
Dear friend / friends (I will grant the benefit of the doubt)
your initial attempts to reach a reasonable agreement with the Sairs were commendable. War is bad for business and health.
You know (like Sairs) that all started by a provocation orchestrated by certain elements (now missing, funny) and quickly supported by the Sails. Those Sairs third category are the greatest plague that ravaged the Omicrons and Omegas (except for some very honorable exceptions).
That ye should follow to seek peace, only to you, forget your brothers, it is simply treason. But not the poor fools who try to defend our independence, to yourselves.
I hope and wish that you support us or at least be silent and stop giving wings to our attackers.
I found few corsairs and those i have spoken didn't care what i was taking and to where. It wasn't because the Taurus is a Aquilon because one even was on a Legate, is because they know what we done to help then and they are thankfull.
****Opening channel****
****Establishing connection****
****CommID: Hal Duncan****
Greetings estimated members of Zoners families, organisations etc. Ehh I don't even know where I should start...Maybe for beginning that would be the best for all of us. My Corporation was from some time out of the politics around FP9 and not only it. We focused on rebuilt our supplies lost during the early stage of conflict.
But it don't mind that we didn't observe. Oh we were. And we did it with fear. We saw like Zoner Alliance failed, we saw like hunting for witches started. And not only Corsairs were those ones who were hunters...
And now, you organise that conference and what I see? The same!!! Proudly talking that we are not like House peoples and their governments, that we are Zoners we not care about others, we are individuals blah, blah, blah...It was good in peace time! Because of that thinking we are doomed to extinction. IT MUST BE CHANGED! Why? Because situation is now different!
I will tell you what ways now we have from my perspective.
We can still sitting and talking, be dispersed and wait until the Corsairs or other enemies will kill us one family by one. One organisation by one...In the end even powerfull minefields in O74 will not help us to survive...
Second option...the difficult one is organize ourselves! We have powerfull technology, we have resources and in the end we have allies. Powerfull allies! And I'm sure that lot of them will join us if we decided to face the enemies! Everyone or most of them hate Corsairs. Use it and we will win! Even if they will not support our case openly, they can support us with good advice, money or in other ways... We need to choose a leader. The more attentive observers had a sample of what good organize corporation like Pioneer Corporation can do against overwhelming enemy forces. We show you how to fight with Core in Delta once, but without your support we failed...But together we can face all enemies.
And please...Don't tell me that is not Zoner way...Because I will answer you using a question. What's better, stay disorganize and wait until we will be killed one by one...Or it's better to organize and face the enemies with big chances to survive and win?
Mr. Lagavulin once again has asked me to convey this message (quote):
' Wrote:Comm ID: Mannock
To: Mr Pirx and similar elements
Dear friend / friends (I will grant the benefit of the doubt)
your initial attempts to reach a reasonable agreement with the Sairs were commendable. War is bad for business and health.
You know (like Sairs) that all started by a provocation orchestrated by certain elements (now missing, funny) and quickly supported by the Sails. Those Sairs third category are the greatest plague that ravaged the Omicrons and Omegas (except for some very honorable exceptions).
That ye should follow to seek peace, only to you, forget your brothers, it is simply treason. But not the poor fools who try to defend our independence, to yourselves.
I hope and wish that you support us or at least be silent and stop giving wings to our attackers.
This conference - I believe - was opened to all Zoners - which by defintion includes my family. If you do not like our opinions, you should not ask for them.
And - for the record - my family is not the ones, that are giving "wings to our attackers" - or has caused this mess in the first place. Warmongers are responsible.
I would rather have the warmongers voices silenced - and not the voices of reason and wisdom.
' Wrote:Mr. Lagavulin once again has asked me to convey this message (quote):
This conference - I believe - was opened to all Zoners - which by defintion includes my family. If you do not like our opinions, you should not ask for them.
And - for the record - my family is not the ones, that are giving "wings to our attackers" - or has caused this mess in the first place. Warmongers are responsible.
I would rather have the warmongers voices silenced - and not the voices of reason and wisdom.
Sincerely yours
Leo Lagavulin
(unquote)
End of message from my client.
Zukertort
Attorney at Law, Planet Erie
It appears the spy is a moron too, since he does not seem to know who is calling him a spy.
Warmongering and self-defence are two different things too.
But it does not matter either way, since your flailing insult has no ground beneath it, as I did not vote on Freeport 9's decision, spy.
The only person giving wings to our attackers is the one's giving the filth time to grow wings.
Try that for reason, spy. And try and refute it, not just dance around.
Mr. Lagavulin brings forth the following answer to mr. Hal Duncan (quote):
' Wrote:
****Opening channel****
****Establishing connection****
****CommID: Hal Duncan****
What's better, stay disorganize and wait until we will be killed one by one...Or it's better to organize and face the enemies with big chances to survive and win?
Now it's time for you to make a decision.
****End of transmission****
We have existed for centuries - scattered and "disorganized", as you put it. If my family had wanted another life, we would have joined an established nation or a house.
But we have chosen the Zoner Way - and live our lifes peacefully and free in desolate systems - on the brink of the endless space - free from corrupt politics and endless chains of commands, that only serves those, who hold the chain firmly in their hands.
So you can ask your question all you like, but it does not at all represent a true dilemma - or hold all the options, that we have.