I think you're focusing only on the negative aspects because you simply don't want the suggestion to gain any traction. Do try to step back and actually read the suggestion and the discussion.
People have noted the issue with Freeport 2 and concluded that Bering is not an ideal system for such a change. So, if you will, shut up about that issue.
Yes, some of the systems suggested are high traffic. That is the point. I run the blockades in Leeds regularly. I'm not afraid to do so because there is no one to stop me. NPCs do occasionally surprise me and make me facedesk at my failure.
You claim people have thought it through fully. I'd point to the fact that the people who put in place the trader exception to some of the PvP rules did the same back in the day. Didn't prevent the current regime from kicking that old brick wall over did it? Evolution. Change. Your attitude is one that is causing stagnation. Do try to change it.
Is the suggestion good or bad? Who knows. That is why it was brought forth for discussion. Discuss it. That means read the discussion and input. You aren't reading. You are harping on an issue that many in the discussion have already conceded and resolved.
Your experience in the past is of very little weight. We aren't in the past. We are in the present. The environment has come a LONG way since those days.
I'm not of the mind that you should be able to die and then return to the fight on that same character. That is rather out of role play. I am, however, thinking that if you have another character that would be fine. Though by character I don't just mean ship. I mean character.
No being killed on LN-Jason.Drum and coming back on LN-Jason:Drum. If you die on LN-Jason.Drum and you have LN-Boss.Nass, sure.
Dab Wrote:I have a question. How many RM v LN fights have you participated in?
4 or 5. I'm not asking only for myself, but also because I think a lot of players would like such a system. I'm thinking mainly about causal players with indy cap ships, who are often treated like the scourge of New York because they are fullfilling their RP role in a realistic way.
Dab Wrote:And enough with this "I was on the event server" argument, because it doesn't hold water.
Neither does your argument with your experience of when none of the systems had re-engagement rules. If you were to compare them nevertheless, the situation of a IRP warzone between 2 factions of a few systems is much more similar to that of an event server than of a "new engagement rules no where" server which is not a totally warzone everywhere.
Dab Wrote:Like I've said, repeatedly, the event server is NOT the main server, and you can't draw parallels between a pre-planned event that lasted only a few hours on a server that included no one BUT the players involved in said event, to having systems on the main server be open to having no engagement rule 24/7.
Yes you can. The difference is that the pew lasts longer than a few hours, and that some outsiders may try to get through their alive. The situation where they try to get through there alive would be that of a realistic warzone, and in accordance to lore.
Again, because you seem to again have ignored this point. Its ONLY the 4 hours rule that is out of place. Everything else still applies.
Dab Wrote:And this whole "If you don't like it, stay out of those systems" is a crap argument as well. Bering and Hudson is a big traffic zone, and some people HAVE to go through it.
Yeah its a big traffic zone right now. Between 2 houses which are at war. Like that's great RP.
Dab Wrote:With this system you're going to have a lot of OORP pewpew, not in-roleplay pewpew. You're also going to have OORP problems with Freeport 2, silent engagers, and everything that goes with it.
Again... you totally ignore what I REALLY said. You bring up points that I countered, and you totally ignroe that I did. RP rules still apply, just not the 4 hour rule.
Every time you totally ignore what is said, and again you pretend people asked for something else. Then you say "crap argument" to the stuff you are unable to refute with reasoning.
No point in arguing with someone like you...
I just hope some people who are able to behave more reasonably and maturily actually read and think about what I REALLY asked for.
' Wrote:Everyone can come in again and again and again, including snubs. That's the whole point. You don't seem to understand the whole intention of this. It's not that you want the battle to be over with one side winning. It's that you can go and have fun PvPing IRP when ever you want. The "win" will be the fun you have. And if it suits you, you can make a kill score for yourself. Factions can make a roster counting the number of kills. And I keep repeating myself but... if you don't think that's fun, simply dont go there and do what ever you want else where.
Nobody ever asked for a rule-less PvP brawl area there. Nobody ever said random pewpew. It's IRP fights with everything in place except the re-engagement rules. That's exactly what makes it different from connecticut, and exactly why we want it.
Surely a system without re-engagement would be 'fun' for some people, but those, who do inRP fights with their fighters in furballs or one on one duels will get their fun spoiled by an angry gunboat or a mob of cruisers charging in on all they see - That ain't fun.
Oh, and free re-engagement, basically a free-for-all, is in fact random pewpew; at least from many people's point of view.
Tachyon Wrote:Surely a system without re-engagement would be 'fun' for some people, but those, who do inRP fights with their fighters in furballs or one on one duels will get their fun spoiled by an angry gunboat or a mob of cruisers charging in on all they see - That ain't fun.
They have hundreds of other systems to have fun in. Duels? If you wanna have a Duel, all you need to do is go somewhere where you are undisturbed. Removing the 4 hour rules in 2 systems has NO effect on that what so ever. If you do a duel in a place where other players see you, the 4 hour rule has NO effect on it what so ever.
Tachyon Wrote:Oh, and free re-engagement, basically a free-for-all, is in fact random pewpew; at least from many people's point of view.
No, its not a free for all`, and its not random. You still have to RP. YOu still have to behave according to your ID. Why do you insist on calling it something that it's not?
Imho some relaxed pew pew with RP might be what Disco needs.
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